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Feel free to use my post as a checklist. multi007 private msg quote post Address this user
@Bronte Wow. That's a shame. CGC had her signing too for signature series, but by the time i found out, I was too late. She's a signature and remark i want to get... someday...

If she wanted it only for the fans, she should have limited it to 1 comic per person.
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Came across this article, but no idea how accurate it is.

https://bleedingcool.com/comics/peach-momoko-too-popular-for-new-york-comic-con/


She apologized on her IG for this. I read some things that said she was visibly upset and crying over tgis. Such bullshit.
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If she wanted it only for the fans, she should have limited it to 1 comic per person.


If she wanted to limit it to fans, then she should have limited it to one book and let it be known that what she signed would be personalized with the owner’s name. Flippers hate anything that is personalized as it is much harder to sell and drops the resale value . A fan wouldn’t have cared.
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I'm waiting.... (tapping fingers).
Splotches is gettin old!
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There is a percentage of jackass savages in every walk of life that ruin things for everyone else.
The word "free" exposes them and makes it so that free never happens again.
They just don't care about their behavior. Cheat the system, to hell with others, and then Take take take is what they understand.
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If the viagra is working you should be well over a 9.8. xkonk private msg quote post Address this user
Probably wouldn't have happened if she charged $50 per signature. But then we'd get the parade of people complaining about how they used to be free.
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If I could, I would. I swear. DrWatson private msg quote post Address this user
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@Bronte Wow. That's a shame. CGC had her signing too for signature series, but by the time i found out, I was too late. She's a signature and remark i want to get... someday...

If she wanted it only for the fans, she should have limited it to 1 comic per person.

Or limited the signing to attendees with purchased passes. No dealers badges, press badges, or anything other than a regularly purchased pass.
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The best filter is a combo.

Charge $50 per book for non-personalized signature.

Free for personalized.

Reasonable limit (perhaps 2).

Above provides the best filters to allow fans to get signatures, fan-investor/collectors to participate (subset of fans), while reducing the BS.

Filtering in other ways (dealer badges, press etc) is ineffective because will stop real fans from getting sigs, is too easy to game, doesn’t prevent the core problem of accumulation for flipping.

Just personalizing is going to filter for fans who just don’t want to lose $ getting signatures (different from acquiring for a flip).

Just charging $50 is fine too but filters out real fans who cannot afford/have no intention to sell/slab/monetize etc.
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I had no way of knowing that 9.8 graded copies signed by Adam Hughes weren't what you were looking for. drchaos private msg quote post Address this user
Peach Momoko had very long lines.

Also the person running her booth had me confused.

When he told me she would be signing at noon on Saturday he failed to mention that her line for remarks would begin at 10AM meaning that if I had tried to line up for a noon signing I would have been too late.

Her line was already extremely long by 10:30AM that morning.

Due to help from a friend to get in early and some persistence on my part the handler asked her if she would be signing books later that day only to have her say that she would sign my books right away when I came back to the booth around 9:30AM on Sunday.

She seemed to be mostly focusing on sketches when I was there.

Not sure if there was anything that she did wrong but there were long lines of people that wanted sketches all four days of the show.
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I had no way of knowing that 9.8 graded copies signed by Adam Hughes weren't what you were looking for. drchaos private msg quote post Address this user
Funny how some people think they are better than other fans and want higher fees or to limit how many books a person can get signed after they have paid admission and waited for an hour or more on some grueling line.

While I get that the artist would get to meet more of their fans with a lower limit the primary reason they are there is to sell more comics.

Alienating those who are buying more of them seems counterproductive.
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The conspiracy theorist in me wonders—

CGC had a private signing event for $60.

Did they send their employees to NYCC to get the books signed for free, only to flip them back to the customer? Lol
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Maybe directed at my post.

I don’t think the flippers play a useful role in this case. They are taking spaces from others - not filling some gap. Their bullying or abuse of process just captures an arbitrage opportunity where they add zero value (if precluding other actual end customers from getting books).

I like filters that get rid of those parasites.

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Funny how some people think they are better than other fans and want higher fees or to limit how many books a person can get signed after they have paid admission and waited for an hour or more on some grueling line.

While I get that the artist would get to meet more of their fans with a lower limit the primary reason they are there is to sell more comics.

Alienating those who are buying more of them seems counterproductive.
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I had no way of knowing that 9.8 graded copies signed by Adam Hughes weren't what you were looking for. drchaos private msg quote post Address this user
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Maybe directed at my post.

I don’t think the flippers play a useful role in this case. They are taking spaces from others - not filling some gap. Their bullying or abuse of process just captures an arbitrage opportunity where they add zero value (if precluding other actual end customers from getting books).

I like filters that get rid of those parasites.

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Funny how some people think they are better than other fans and want higher fees or to limit how many books a person can get signed after they have paid admission and waited for an hour or more on some grueling line.

While I get that the artist would get to meet more of their fans with a lower limit the primary reason they are there is to sell more comics.

Alienating those who are buying more of them seems counterproductive.


Happy to see you disappointed.

Much like comic stores and other distributors flippers provide a valuable service in helping those who are unable to attend the conventions the opportunity to acquire the exclusives and signatures that they want.
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Maybe directed at my post.

I don’t think the flippers play a useful role in this case. They are taking spaces from others - not filling some gap. Their bullying or abuse of process just captures an arbitrage opportunity where they add zero value (if precluding other actual end customers from getting books).

I like filters that get rid of those parasites.

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Funny how some people think they are better than other fans and want higher fees or to limit how many books a person can get signed after they have paid admission and waited for an hour or more on some grueling line.

While I get that the artist would get to meet more of their fans with a lower limit the primary reason they are there is to sell more comics.

Alienating those who are buying more of them seems counterproductive.


Happy to see you disappointed.

Much like comic stores and other distributors flippers provide a valuable service in helping those who are unable to attend the conventions the opportunity to acquire the exclusives and signatures that they want.


I am working off the reports and commentary of this incident. That she cut the signing short because of flippers signing/rejoining and signing again (stacks of 10) and not adhering to line etiquette.

Funny you seem to suggest her charging $ is worse than flippers pocketing $ through hoarding and (ultimately) limiting opportunities for others…
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I had no way of knowing that 9.8 graded copies signed by Adam Hughes weren't what you were looking for. drchaos private msg quote post Address this user
@Davethebrave

All I saw was long lines until I took the effort to be the first person to get there on Sunday.

The rest is just speculation as neither one of us is there.

I have been going to New York Comic Con for more than a decade now and have repeatedly witnessed a number of people with a complete lack of common sense or courtesy.

Most people who have experience in getting a large number of signatures have not only learned line etiquette but have developed repour with many of the artists over the years.

With that said no one has a monopoly on stupidity or poor manners.

There are far too many people who never learned how to play in the sandbox with others.
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The situation reminded me of the George Perez situation at East Coast Comiccon years ago. Stood in line for over 2hrs before they stopped the signing. People dropping off foot tall stacks. I remember complaining/venting online with @xkonk about this situation as he and I both wasted our time in line with nothing too show.
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The situation reminded me of the George Perez situation at East Coast Comiccon years ago. Stood in line for over 2hrs before they stopped the signing. People dropping off foot tall stacks. I remember complaining/venting online with @xkonk about this situation as he and I both wasted our time in line with nothing too show.


Yep. Poor organization taken advantage of by people looking to make a buck. I understand the role of people like @drchaos who sell signed books to people who will never meet these folks at a convention, but when they also take away from the people who *are* at the convention that's a net loss.
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I had no way of knowing that 9.8 graded copies signed by Adam Hughes weren't what you were looking for. drchaos private msg quote post Address this user
@Hcanes

No one had tall stacks.

George had a strict limit (three books I think) but they sold VIP tickets.

The VIPs cut to the front of the line multiple times and it took them hours to figure it out and stop them.

I waited four hours in that line which caused me to miss my last shot at Denny O'Neil signatures.
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I'm waiting.... (tapping fingers).
Splotches is gettin old!
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Simonson is one of the remaining "old school" biggies who doesn't charge for anything including sketches. Those outside his fan base have gotten wind of that and as of late his lines have gone from "long" to "ungodly long".

The major Con atmosphere has changed significantly in the last 4 - 5 years. I've been a convention goer for over 30 years. I've never seen anything in life not be destroyed by greed, taking advantage, and lack of respect.
The last remaining "niceities" in this hobby will collapse soon based on the behaviors of a few
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Sounds like NYCC....lots of long lines. Nice to know nothing changes 😂
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Feel free to use my post as a checklist. multi007 private msg quote post Address this user
It seems that Peach Momoko should have known.... if a graded signature series/witness book is selling for about $$150 - $350 depending on grade (and more if remarked), AND she's signing for free... It doesnt take a rocket scientist to figure out the lines will be YUGE.
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If I could, I would. I swear. DrWatson private msg quote post Address this user
She might have been a little naive, but it isn't her fault that others exploit her goodwill.
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@Davethebrave I’m for either charging 50.00 a signature or a free signature that is personalized with a limit of 2 either way.

Isn’t it interesting that the situation highlights the thought process of those that are attempting to fund their costs associated with travel to a convention and then use that as an excuse to screw other attendees over by justifying their d___b__ behavior. It’s almost like they are thinking..Hey, I got mine. What’s the problem? Generally, those people are the ones that snag dealer badges so they can get in early further screwing the people who now have to stand behind them in line while the d__b__’s get their endless stack of books signed. All the d__b__’s do is exacerbate the problem. But they got theirs, right? Screw everybody else.
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I had no way of knowing that 9.8 graded copies signed by Adam Hughes weren't what you were looking for. drchaos private msg quote post Address this user
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@Davethebrave I’m for either charging 50.00 a signature or a free signature that is personalized with a limit of 2 either way.

Isn’t it interesting that the situation highlights the thought process of those that are attempting to fund their costs associated with travel to a convention and then use that as an excuse to screw other attendees over by justifying their d___b__ behavior. It’s almost like they are thinking..Hey, I got mine. What’s the problem? Generally, those people are the ones that snag dealer badges so they can get in early further screwing the people who now have to stand behind them in line while the d__b__’s get their endless stack of books signed. All the d__b__’s do is exacerbate the problem. But they got theirs, right? Screw everybody else.


There are no free lunches.

To make a living in this business it is necessary to sell things for more than your cost and that includes travel.

Not all of the early birds are exhibitors, many shows sell VIP passes to those willing to pay a premium to get in early.

If all of the people with more than two books per artist stayed home the shows would not happen.

Most of the artists charge by the signature and without volume they would not be attending the show in the first place.

Every time a comic book is published there are a lot of people involved that get paid before the book goes to the customer.

I find it interesting that so much anger is directed at smaller dealers and flippers where all of the publishers, store owners, show organizers, and others making money in the hobby get a pass.
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We tend to overlook that incidents like this are nothing but positive for a creator's career and reputation. It's very possible that she had a manager/handler/publicist who knew exactly what they were doing with the "10 free" plan. Marvel probably has big plans for her.
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We tend to overlook that incidents like this are nothing but positive for a creator's career and reputation. It's very possible that she had a manager/handler/publicist who knew exactly what they were doing with the "10 free" plan. Marvel probably has big plans for her.


Very good point. look at it this way, it got us talking about it. And I’m sure other people are griping about it in other comic book forums.
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We tend to overlook that incidents like this are nothing but positive for a creator's career and reputation. It's very possible that she had a manager/handler/publicist who knew exactly what they were doing with the "10 free" plan. Marvel probably has big plans for her.


I immediately considered the publicity and agree. That said, it doesn’t excuse behavior, impact on other fans/attendees and -most importantly- I highly doubt it was her intention.
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I'm waiting.... (tapping fingers).
Splotches is gettin old!
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I used to be one of those that was upset and complained with artists charging; as I was one of those in the "old day" that never paid for one.

I am no longer upset nor will I complain.

The exchange of $$$ between an artist and flipper/fan/degenerate/jackass/whatever puts all poor behaviors in check.
I have seen what "free" does and it is not good. Peach is not the 1st; she won't be the last.

A percentage of people can't behave themselves or be reasonable when anything is free; and that statement is true not just in this hobby.


Side Note: if you don't believe this, put a box of candy out during halloween with instructions to "take 1" and see how that goes
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@drchaos apparently you’ve missed all the threads in which creators are considered to be stealing because they have the audacity to charge for their signatures. Also, I guess you’ve missed all the threads in which people are mad at creators because they charge more if someone witnesses a book. Loads of them on many comic book forums. Personally, I like the fact that creators charge more for witnessed books. More often than not, if they were a silver or golden aged creator were taken advantage of under the working agreement they produced work. So, they get a pass in my world. They shouldn’t be forced to allow someone else to make money off them. They should be paid for their signature, remark, or drawing as they see fit. Too bad if Joe Flipper get their profit margin eaten into by it.

The VIP that pays for that badge I don’t have an issue with who gets in line first. They paid for that privilege and are playing within the rules of a convention. Well, I would if the pull out a huge pile of books to have signed under a free signing. Like I stated in my other post they are exacerbating the problem and are more than likely thinking “Hey, I got mine.” They are oblivious to the problems they are causing. Total DB move.

The DB’s that scam, beg, steal, borrow, are gifted, or steal a dealers badge when they aren’t paying for a booth really need to be thrown out of conventions. They aren’t operating as the organizer of the convention states they can. My post was more or less a take on them. My apologies for not making that clearer.
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@drchaos must have been a facilitator or something because on more than one occasion i saw a stack of comics being laid down. A foots worth was obviously hyperbole.

At a point they even started to enact a limit on how many comics could be signed, but then you could also get non comics signed like the infinity gauntlet. It was a poorly managed show.
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I wouldn't mind to see the table top gaming area go away, wasted space no one was really using this con, and turn that into the autograph area. This way they can give artist alley some breathing room and expand it into where the autographs were this year and last.

This would atleast help with the line issues. Snyder, Cates, Liefeld all pull large lines which make it hard to navigate through. Surprisingly Claremont had a long line this year, in the past I've walked right up or had to wait a few minutes.

Also I was happy to see the decent size line Sean Gordon Murphy was pulling. His Batman Murphyverse is a fantastic read and the guy is super humble and appreciative.
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