Reholder Witness Signature18369
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Bandwell private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Hello everyone, I have two questions for you as customer service has not replied to my email and it was been over a week now. I aquired a witness signature ASP 9.4 graded Ms. Marvel #5 (2006) and the seller shipped it very cheaply and the right side of the case is cracked and the entire case is scuffed badly. My question is will a reholder service affect the ASP witness signature status? Or will it remain ASP witness signature? Second, if I opt for press screen, will they press it and regrade it? Am I charged automatically? Will the new press and grading affect the ASP witness signature label? Or will it all remain ASP witness signature? Thank you! |
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 If the viagra is working you should be well over a 9.8.
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| In either case (reholder or press), be sure to send it to CBCS in the slab. They'll take it out for you and it will avoid any signature issues. If you get it reholdered the signature should be fine. They basically just put it in a new slab as long as the case damage doesn't imply that the book might have new damage. It should keep the same label number and everything, it's like nothing happened. If you get it pressed then you can't just do a reholder. They'll press it and regrade it. But as long as CBCS does the pressing, it will still keep the signature with no problem. I don't know if you can screen and ask for a reholder if they decide not to press it. I can't remember anyone asking for that situation off the top of my head. The way press screening works in general is they look at the book (they'll look at it in the slab if that's how you send it) and decide if a press will increase the grade. If the presser thinks it will, then they'll press it. If not, they won't and it just goes back to you since it's already graded. You'll pay the screening fee when you send your order but you won't pay for pressing or grading until it gets graded. |
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 Where's his Bat-package?
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| @Bandwell As long as the case hasn't been damaged to the point where the book or label can be removed and swapped out for a different label/book, the verification of the signature should not be in question. Getting it reholdered into a new, non-damaged case should be no problem. Same thing goes with having the book pressed once it's been removed from the damaged case. I think it remains a witnessed signature, too, and doesn't require verification, but I'm not 100% positive if that goes for CGC books, too (you didn't mention who the 3rd-party grader was). Can someone else with more knowledge of that confirm, please? If it were my book, I'd opt for a press screen so it won't get pressed if the presser thinks it won't make a difference. All you'll be charged for in that case is the minimal price for the screening ($5 or $10 depending on how old the book is). PS: So sorry your graded book got banged up in shipping! Did someone just put it in a padded envelope and call it good? Graded books always need a box and lots of padding. |
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| Sorry for not clarifying earlier the book is a cbcs graded book. The original seller mailed it to me in a box that showed up completely smashed in on the right side (where the crack is) and he only wrapped it in one piece of bubble wrap. The crack allows me to open the right side but not enough to remove the label or the book as both the upper and lower right locks are still intact and the book looks like it is inside a plastic sleeve. |
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| That is the maximum amount it will open, the top and bottom locks keep it from being able get anything out | ||
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| The locks also have no damage to them and they are tight, I hope this will retain it's witness signature as there are only 2, including this one, witness signed cbcs books and 2 CGC signature series books on population report and census. So only 4 witnessed signature slabs out there. | ||
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Byrdibyrd private msg quote post Address this user | |
| @Bandwell DAYUM! That box is stomped! It does still look like you wouldn't be able to swap out a label through the crack in the case, though, and since it's a book slabbed by CBCS, they should reholder it without a problem. Talk about a testament to how tough a CBCS slab is! I'd bet money if that had been a CGC slab in a box that damaged and with minimal padding, it'd be shattered. |
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 If I could, I would. I swear.
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| The pictures you posted aren't really slab damage unless it's cracked somewhere else. I wouldn't reholder it for what you photographed. | ||
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Byrdibyrd private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by Bandwell Sounds like a very cool book! You should share on one of the 'new to my collection' threads and include the photo of that trashed box. You may even get some of the CBCS graders to comment on how the reholder would go. Since the book was witnessed by CBCS and is still intact in a CBCS case (damaged though the case may be) I believe it would retain its witnessed signature status. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by DrWatson The crack is in the picture below the box, and the pictures below are of me being able to slightly open the slab from that crack. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by DrWatson But if you're saying this doesn't count as slab damage..I feel a million times better! |
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 It was a one trick pony show but always hilarious.
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GAC private msg quote post Address this user | |
This is not slab damage. This was part of the slabbing process. |
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If I could, I would. I swear.
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| The earlier CBCS slabs aren't sealed all the way around and sometimes they squeak. | ||
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Byrdibyrd private msg quote post Address this user | |
| @Bandwell Welcome to the forum, by the way!  |
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Quote:Originally Posted by GAC Omg! Wow I'm glad I posted here! All my worries are no longer, you guys are amazing! |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Byrdibyrd Thank you! |
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It was a one trick pony show but always hilarious.
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Quote:Originally Posted by Bandwell Our pleasure and welcome!! I hope you stick around. |
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Byrdibyrd private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by Bandwell You're welcome! Like @GAC said, do stick around. I hope you share your book! I'm very curious to see it. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Byrdibyrd  |
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| @Bandwell Very nice! Thanks!!  |
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If the viagra is working you should be well over a 9.8.
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xkonk private msg quote post Address this user | |
| @Bandwell as far as it goes, if you still want the book reholdered (the new slabs don't open like that) or pressed, you can do it with no problem for the signature. | ||
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| If this was addressed already, sorry but getting it reholdered will"demote" the signature from "Witnessed" to "Verified" at best, right? | ||
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It was a one trick pony show but always hilarious.
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| No...if the book is sent still in the slab the new slab will retain the witnessed signature...but it must be sent in the slab to do so. | ||
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| @ticktocktyler It shouldn't, as long as the case was never opened or damaged to the point where it could be opened. All the information is on the label and encased with the book. As long as neither one has been compromised, then re-holdering the book shouldn't change its status as a 'witnessed' signature. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Byrdibyrd Thanks! So if it were sent in for a regrade and reholder that would void the witnessed part and "demote" it to verified, I guess? |
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It was a one trick pony show but always hilarious.
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| If the book is sent in the slab and there's no obvious damage to the slab and/or the assigned grade appears correct then it would not be re-graded...only re-slabbed. If the client insists on the re-grade, I suppose it could be regraded but it would likely keep the same grade and the Witnessed signature would remain as Winessed. Either way...the witnessed designation is not impacted as long as the book is recieved in the slab (without tamper evidence). | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by GAC Right. I guess I meant if the owner requested a regrade then the book would start off as a book with unverified writing on the cover? CGC gets all sorts of witnessed sig books and disregards the sigs verified, witnessed or not when a press & regrade are paid for, right? Was wondering if CBCS does the same or they verify instead of green label writing on cover stuff. |
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It was a one trick pony show but always hilarious.
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Quote:Originally Posted by ticktocktyler I'm not entirely sure what you're asking but what I can say is this.....regardless of the reason for the return....as long as the book is received by CBCS in the slab without tamper evidence, then the Witnessed designation is retained....no change to Verified. The crux is CBCS must receive the book in the slab without tamper evidence...if this happens...regardless of the reason for the return to CBCS, the book keeps its Witnessed signature. |
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