CGC puts blue label on "new" modified excl18147
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Wraith private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by HotKeyComicsbut will people risk a downgrade to their cgc grades with a real cbcs grade? .. Haha If smart would be selling cgc slabs like nobodys business while people still willing to pay premium for them.. This whole thing is comparable to the downfall of those who shall not be named |
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 I'm good with splotches.
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Quote:Originally Posted by Wraith Rome?  |
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 You can't get good wood on the ball every time.
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Quote:Originally Posted by Nuffsaid111  |
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classicaaron private msg quote post Address this user | |
| i guess im just shocked that anyone finds this news surprising from CGC. people have been buying grades for years. big dealers have always gotten better grades than individual submitters. you pay for their pressing service, you get a better grade. you spend more on fast tracking, you typically get a better grade. in house signature signings and you get a better grade. it goes on and on. cant say im surprised acetate covers are getting 10's because unless there's a scratch across the cover how could they not grade a 10. they are obviously only grading that cover and there's no chance of bending. its been said for years buy the book not the grade. its always been true as there are so many inaccurate grades out there. its why i would never pay and have never paid more for a graded book than if i was to buy it raw. people who pay just to have a 9.8 label when its not must love to waste money. id rather just grow my collection with that cash. with all of CGC's QC issues plus many examples of inaccurate grading not sure why people put a premium on them. this fiasco just adds fuel to the fire. |
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 Suck it up, buttercup!!
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KatKomics private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I also love how all this is for a reprint/facimile Just spend the $$ on a raw 2nd print or what ever a couple hundred will get you of the 1st print - it will hold it's value more than whatever printing this thing is |
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 would be nice to have a snugger fit.
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Quote:Originally Posted by classicaaron Do have proof or evidence of this? Any of it? |
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Nuffsaid111 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I wonder if somehow, some way, between now and Friday - that Marvel doesn't shut down this operation in Boston fanexpo with their new acetate offerings I'm holding steady on that and I'll be there to hopefully see |
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 Where's his Bat-package?
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Quote:Originally Posted by southerncross That is exactly what it looks like. Pathetic. |
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Where's his Bat-package?
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Quote:Originally Posted by Wraith I have sent over 1,000 books in to get graded (yeah, I know, drop in the bucket) and have received two 9.9's and no 10.0's. What am I doing wrong...? Oh, wait! I'm forgetting that vital palm-greasing step! Silly me!!  |
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| I do enjoy watching the CGC eat their plate of crow after they've carefully prepared their own meal. I want to make it clear that your conversation needs to be about the topic at hand. Everyone at CBCS was at one point customer of CGC who just felt we could do it better. We all still do feel their presence in the hobby is legitimate, and they keep us at CBCS challenged and push our team to do better, so for that, we thank them. Please don't branch out into speculation or conspiracy. Doing so will force me to lock the thread, and like I said, I enjoy watching them chase their tails in damage mitigation mode. It's easy to grin when your ship comes in And you have the stock market beat But the man worthwhile Is the man who can smile When his shorts are too tight in the seat |
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Where's his Bat-package?
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Byrdibyrd private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by SteveRicketts You're right. I got carried away. I'm just so stunned by what The Big Dog is doing and how they are voluntarily dismantling their own reputation. Unbelievable.   |
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theCapraAegagrus private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by Sigur_Ros The accusation that using CCS gets you a better grade is laughable. You'd get better results from independent pressers submitting for you. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Nuffsaid111 Quote: Originally Posted by classicaaron Both of these comments would presume manufacturer creation of acetate covers. 1. This is post production, from all appearances, being hand stapled onto an existing product that already has a cover. 2. No known 9.9 or 10s of the original books onto which these covers have been stapled...by hand....have graded above a 9.8. So black flag found some trove of hundreds of each of these comics in (apparently) pristine enough conditions to use for their gimmick. Then, they...seemingly hand-stapled a bunch of rigid acetate covers onto existing, flawless comics (or nearly so) and did so without creating so much as a slight defect? This is a non-licensed, non-manufacturing alteration to a comic book. Graded as if it's a licensed, produced this way variant and given what can only be interpreted as suspect grades. |
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Nuffsaid111 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| .... and yet.... I will put down on the table some serious money that there is a mad dash to the Black Flag booth at Boston FanExpo this weekend AS WELL AS the typical dealers with dealers badges who are somehow allowed to form a purchase line before doors open. It's unfortunate that any news is good news in a collectors environment. But that's what it will be |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Nuffsaid111 Marvel is owned by Disney so they have deep pockets All Marvel has to say is it's not a authorized book. Social media and their own customers appear to be fighting for them for free. So Marvel stays out of it and keeps their hands clean. |
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Sebastsk8 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Ebay is pulling listings due to being counterfeit currently. I will say I'm curious what the venom exclusive they're gonna have is...as long as it's not some garbage acetate I'd like to pick one up  |
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EbayMafia private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by Nuffsaid111 I thought that the first day that the story broke. But as it goes on, I'm leaning more towards the idea that this falls apart in Boston one way or another. |
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 It was a one trick pony show but always hilarious.
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Quote:Originally Posted by Sebastsk8 not surprised one bit. |
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 I'd like to say I still turned out alright, but that would be a lie.
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Quote:Originally Posted by southerncross And don't forget, at CGC, I "promise" you can also buy a Pedigree. |
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Nuffsaid111 private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by EbayMafia I hope and pray you are right. If it falls apart it will be because someone or an entity intervened, though. It will not be because of fan backlash imo. If you look at the various avenues of social media, there are literally hundreds of responses that go something like "don't let all these bastards who are jealous of your success, sway you from doing your thing". So whereas most (if not all I've read/seen) on this forum believe otherwise, there are a whole bunch out there who will continue to heavily support them if given the opportunity to do so. I think it has to be Marvel, Disney, Boston Comicon ownwership/management, etc... that puts the kabosh on this if it is going to be put down. |
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| if Clayton Crain was smart he would take this opportunity to distance himself and pull his support from these, that alone would probably kill the Boston sales of his covers. | ||
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Nuffsaid111 private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by HotKeyComics Yup - this is even worse than that Javan Jordan nonsense a few months back. That was just basic copying internet pictures, modifying slightly, and passing off as his art. But he just continues and has his dedicated followers |
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| This is my issue with this whole situation. I have collected vinyl LPs for over 30 yrs and the term "acetate" to me is designated as...."A FIRST PRESSING" - the original master type recorded on vinyl. These "acetates" are normally very rare and limited to under five existing...causing the rarity to be valued....some only have one produced. Led Zeppelin bootleg LP: https://www.ebay.com/itm/284822427255?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=nPECL-5dTvi&sssrc=2349624&ssuid=9ixkRDn-RdO&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY The Beatles: https://www.ebay.com/itm/402880088381?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=eCa3sPebTui&sssrc=2349624&ssuid=9ixkRDn-RdO&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY IMO - these supposed "acetates" ARE NOT IN ANY SENSE - and is nothing but a money grab by this Black Flag company and/or to get theirselves on the board with a name. Failed. smh |
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Suck it up, buttercup!!
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KatKomics private msg quote post Address this user | |
| No way - this is the time to double down - pay whatever crazy price people are asking before there are none available!!! This is like a recall or error edition - other fakes in the past have had value These will be more stable than an NFT of a crypto coin - you could retire with the value these will rise to if they are pulled what could go wrong!! ps...I also have land for sale in Florida for you |
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KatKomics private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Would CGC grade a book if I added a gem to the cover....like the Eclipso one in the 90s?? Oh man, oh man, oh man...gonna get my glue gun ready and rake in the cash!! |
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 If I could, I would. I swear.
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| They should have subbed to CBCS under the ART label. Any experienced slab collector knows you can't add anything via staples to a book once it leaves the publishers and expect a blue label from the cgc. So, the rules apply to me and you, but not to Black Flag and Clayton Crain? That's the real problem. | ||
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Sebastsk8 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| @HotKeyComics it kinda seems like he already is. He canceled on c2e2 and he already canceled on Boston fan expo too. I don't blame him at all for this, he just did the art - he didn't make all of the bs that followed. Also, I didn't watch the video that was posted until now...and I only made it a few minutes in before I started to gag. The whole cgc thing, sure that's bad. I don't agree with it. The high grades? Eh I dunno, they probably went right from being made to grading basically, which should always be higher than anything that endures handling. Should they be qualified? Yes. But that compared to this douchebag? Doesn't even compare at all. Not only is he fine with what he did, he's totally behind it 100% and proud of it. He must say 5 times in the first 2 minutes how dope black flag is. Dude, you're not dope. I had an issue with it before, but now...I will never buy anything from black flag. |
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EbayMafia private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by Nuffsaid111 True, but the CGC forum is attacking this move even more brutally than this forum is. |
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If I could, I would. I swear.
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Quote:Originally Posted by EbayMafia That's because we're slightly more sophisticated than a pack of rabid hyenas. |
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 CBCS broke up with me over Facebook.
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Quote:Originally Posted by DrWatson Slightly. |
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