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Collector 2.12K	2.12K Wraith private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 7
	Quote: Originally Posted by HotKeyComics heres a nice comparison someone did of other acetate covers and their high grades: The more layers this onion shows, the worse it gets. There is no way to give them the benefit of the doubt with those kinds of numbers and comparisons. if CBCS was smart they would take a loss for a bit and do a huge discount for 30 days on CGC regrades. but will people risk a downgrade to their cgc grades with a real cbcs grade? .. Haha If smart would be selling cgc slabs like nobodys business while people still willing to pay premium for them.. This whole thing is comparable to the downfall of those who shall not be named
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I'm waiting.... (tapping fingers). Splotches is gettin old! 20.82K	20.82K Nuffsaid111 private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 8
	Quote: Originally Posted by Wraith This whole thing is comparable to the downfall of those who shall not be named Rome?
	3 years ago	Post 202 • IP flag post

You can't get good wood on the ball every time. 5.42K	5.42K HotKeyComics private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 10
	Quote: Originally Posted by Nuffsaid111 Quote: Originally Posted by Wraith This whole thing is comparable to the downfall of those who shall not be named Rome?
	3 years ago	Post 203 • IP flag post

Collector 81	81 classicaaron private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 7
	i guess im just shocked that anyone finds this news surprising from CGC. people have been buying grades for years. big dealers have always gotten better grades than individual submitters. you pay for their pressing service, you get a better grade. you spend more on fast tracking, you typically get a better grade. in house signature signings and you get a better grade. it goes on and on. cant say im surprised acetate covers are getting 10's because unless there's a scratch across the cover how could they not grade a 10. they are obviously only grading that cover and there's no chance of bending. its been said for years buy the book not the grade. its always been true as there are so many inaccurate grades out there. its why i would never pay and have never paid more for a graded book than if i was to buy it raw. people who pay just to have a 9.8 label when its not must love to waste money. id rather just grow my collection with that cash. with all of CGC's QC issues plus many examples of inaccurate grading not sure why people put a premium on them. this fiasco just adds fuel to the fire.
	3 years ago	Post 204 • IP flag post

past performance is no guarantee of future actions. 31.53K	31.53K KatKomics private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 3
	I also love how all this is for a reprint/facimile Just spend the $$ on a raw 2nd print or what ever a couple hundred will get you of the 1st print - it will hold it's value more than whatever printing this thing is
	3 years ago	Post 205 • IP flag post

would be nice to have a snugger fit. 4.72K	4.72K Sigur_Ros private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 3
	Quote: Originally Posted by classicaaron i guess im just shocked that anyone finds this news surprising from CGC. people have been buying grades for years. big dealers have always gotten better grades than individual submitters. you pay for their pressing service, you get a better grade. you spend more on fast tracking, you typically get a better grade. in house signature signings and you get a better grade. it goes on and on. Do have proof or evidence of this? Any of it?
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I'm waiting.... (tapping fingers). Splotches is gettin old! 20.82K	20.82K Nuffsaid111 private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	I wonder if somehow, some way, between now and Friday - that Marvel doesn't shut down this operation in Boston fanexpo with their new acetate offerings I'm holding steady on that and I'll be there to hopefully see
	3 years ago	Post 207 • IP flag post

Where's his Bat-package? 24.74K	24.74K Byrdibyrd private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 6
	Quote: Originally Posted by southerncross Looks like buy a grade. That is exactly what it looks like. Pathetic.
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Where's his Bat-package? 24.74K	24.74K Byrdibyrd private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 1
	Quote: Originally Posted by Wraith Quote: Originally Posted by Sigur_Ros I don't see what's so unusual about a 30 book submission getting (3) 10's and (11) 9.9's. Especially old books that never got either of those grades, pre-Etsy project add-on. Even less unusual when you factor in the probability those specific grades were paid for. Like with the invisible book fiasco. totally. i thought id check the census myself just to be sure. Deadpool Nerdy 30 out of total of 10 graded comics 40% are 9.9 and 10 To think those gem scores are created from a stack of comics that has been gathering dust since early last year until someone had the good sense to staple some protective acetate straight into the spine. Moreover out of the 1,025 total graded comics for all variants of the issue only those 4 comics (from that pool of 10 ) get 9.9 and 10. How I wish I had that luck. ( Or friends who can manfacture that type of luck ) . I have sent over 1,000 books in to get graded (yeah, I know, drop in the bucket) and have received two 9.9's and no 10.0's. What am I doing wrong...? Oh, wait! I'm forgetting that vital palm-greasing step! Silly me!!
	3 years ago	Post 209 • IP flag post

CBCS Pressing 19.74K	19.74K SteveRicketts private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 24
	I do enjoy watching the CGC eat their plate of crow after they've carefully prepared their own meal. I want to make it clear that your conversation needs to be about the topic at hand. Everyone at CBCS was at one point customer of CGC who just felt we could do it better. We all still do feel their presence in the hobby is legitimate, and they keep us at CBCS challenged and push our team to do better, so for that, we thank them. Please don't branch out into speculation or conspiracy. Doing so will force me to lock the thread, and like I said, I enjoy watching them chase their tails in damage mitigation mode. It's easy to grin when your ship comes in And you have the stock market beat But the man worthwhile Is the man who can smile When his shorts are too tight in the seat
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Where's his Bat-package? 24.74K	24.74K Byrdibyrd private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	Quote: Originally Posted by SteveRicketts I do enjoy watching the CGC eat their plate of crow after they've carefully prepared their own meal. I want to make it clear that your conversation needs to be about the topic at hand. You're right. I got carried away. I'm just so stunned by what The Big Dog is doing and how they are voluntarily dismantling their own reputation. Unbelievable.
	3 years ago	Post 211 • IP flag post

PLOD 2.6K	2.6K theCapraAegagrus private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 5
	Quote: Originally Posted by Sigur_Ros Do have proof or evidence of this? Any of it? The accusation that using CCS gets you a better grade is laughable. You'd get better results from independent pressers submitting for you.
	3 years ago	Post 212 • IP flag post

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Originally Posted by Nuffsaid111
Now some "expert" will come along and state "yea but those acetate covers were made differently and of less quality than the black flag acetate covers". Each one was individually inspected before being applied to the book - thus the difference in grades.

Everyone has a "yea but......".

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Originally Posted by classicaaron

cant say im surprised acetate covers are getting 10's because unless there's a scratch across the cover how could they not grade a 10. they are obviously only grading that cover and there's no chance of bending.

Both of these comments would presume manufacturer creation of acetate covers. 1. This is post production, from all appearances, being hand stapled onto an existing product that already has a cover. 2. No known 9.9 or 10s of the original books onto which these covers have been stapled...by hand....have graded above a 9.8.

So black flag found some trove of hundreds of each of these comics in (apparently) pristine enough conditions to use for their gimmick. Then, they...seemingly hand-stapled a bunch of rigid acetate covers onto existing, flawless comics (or nearly so) and did so without creating so much as a slight defect?

This is a non-licensed, non-manufacturing alteration to a comic book. Graded as if it's a licensed, produced this way variant and given what can only be interpreted as suspect grades.

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I'm waiting.... (tapping fingers). Splotches is gettin old! 20.82K	20.82K Nuffsaid111 private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 3
	.... and yet.... I will put down on the table some serious money that there is a mad dash to the Black Flag booth at Boston FanExpo this weekend AS WELL AS the typical dealers with dealers badges who are somehow allowed to form a purchase line before doors open. It's unfortunate that any news is good news in a collectors environment. But that's what it will be
	3 years ago	Post 214 • IP flag post

Please continue to ignore anything I post. 34.11K	34.11K southerncross private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 1
	Quote: Originally Posted by Nuffsaid111 I wonder if somehow, some way, between now and Friday - that Marvel doesn't shut down this operation in Boston fanexpo with their new acetate offerings I'm holding steady on that and I'll be there to hopefully see Marvel is owned by Disney so they have deep pockets All Marvel has to say is it's not a authorized book. Social media and their own customers appear to be fighting for them for free. So Marvel stays out of it and keeps their hands clean.
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Collector 2.35K	2.35K Sebastsk8 private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 6
	Ebay is pulling listings due to being counterfeit currently. I will say I'm curious what the venom exclusive they're gonna have is...as long as it's not some garbage acetate I'd like to pick one up
	3 years ago	Post 216 • IP flag post

Masculinity takes a holiday. 37.35K	37.35K EbayMafia private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 4
	Quote: Originally Posted by Nuffsaid111 .... and yet.... I will put down on the table some serious money that there is a mad dash to the Black Flag booth at Boston FanExpo this weekend AS WELL AS the typical dealers with dealers badges who are somehow allowed to form a purchase line before doors open. It's unfortunate that any news is good news in a collectors environment. But that's what it will be I thought that the first day that the story broke. But as it goes on, I'm leaning more towards the idea that this falls apart in Boston one way or another.
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I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this. 79.84K	79.84K GAC private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 6
	Quote: Originally Posted by Sebastsk8 Ebay is pulling listings due to being counterfeit currently. not surprised one bit.
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I'd like to say I still turned out alright, but that would be a lie. 29.35K	29.35K flanders private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 10
	Quote: Originally Posted by southerncross Looks like buy a grade And don't forget, at CGC, I "promise" you can also buy a Pedigree.
	3 years ago	Post 219 • IP flag post

I'm waiting.... (tapping fingers). Splotches is gettin old! 20.82K	20.82K Nuffsaid111 private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 4
	Quote: Originally Posted by EbayMafia Quote: Originally Posted by Nuffsaid111 .... and yet.... I will put down on the table some serious money that there is a mad dash to the Black Flag booth at Boston FanExpo this weekend AS WELL AS the typical dealers with dealers badges who are somehow allowed to form a purchase line before doors open. It's unfortunate that any news is good news in a collectors environment. But that's what it will be I thought that the first day that the story broke. But as it goes on, I'm leaning more towards the idea that this falls apart in Boston one way or another. I hope and pray you are right. If it falls apart it will be because someone or an entity intervened, though. It will not be because of fan backlash imo. If you look at the various avenues of social media, there are literally hundreds of responses that go something like "don't let all these bastards who are jealous of your success, sway you from doing your thing". So whereas most (if not all I've read/seen) on this forum believe otherwise, there are a whole bunch out there who will continue to heavily support them if given the opportunity to do so. I think it has to be Marvel, Disney, Boston Comicon ownwership/management, etc... that puts the kabosh on this if it is going to be put down.
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You can't get good wood on the ball every time. 5.42K	5.42K HotKeyComics private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 6
	if Clayton Crain was smart he would take this opportunity to distance himself and pull his support from these, that alone would probably kill the Boston sales of his covers.
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I'm waiting.... (tapping fingers). Splotches is gettin old! 20.82K	20.82K Nuffsaid111 private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 1
	Quote: Originally Posted by HotKeyComics if Clayton Crain was smart he would take this opportunity to distance himself and pull his support from these, that alone would probably kill the Boston sales of his covers. Yup - this is even worse than that Javan Jordan nonsense a few months back. That was just basic copying internet pictures, modifying slightly, and passing off as his art. But he just continues and has his dedicated followers
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Collector 2.13K	2.13K ZosoRocks private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 3
	This is my issue with this whole situation. I have collected vinyl LPs for over 30 yrs and the term "acetate" to me is designated as...."A FIRST PRESSING" - the original master type recorded on vinyl. These "acetates" are normally very rare and limited to under five existing...causing the rarity to be valued....some only have one produced. Led Zeppelin bootleg LP: https://www.ebay.com/itm/284822427255?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=nPECL-5dTvi&sssrc=2349624&ssuid=9ixkRDn-RdO&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY The Beatles: https://www.ebay.com/itm/402880088381?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=eCa3sPebTui&sssrc=2349624&ssuid=9ixkRDn-RdO&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY IMO - these supposed "acetates" ARE NOT IN ANY SENSE - and is nothing but a money grab by this Black Flag company and/or to get theirselves on the board with a name. Failed. smh
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past performance is no guarantee of future actions. 31.53K	31.53K KatKomics private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 1
	No way - this is the time to double down - pay whatever crazy price people are asking before there are none available!!! This is like a recall or error edition - other fakes in the past have had value These will be more stable than an NFT of a crypto coin - you could retire with the value these will rise to if they are pulled what could go wrong!! ps...I also have land for sale in Florida for you
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past performance is no guarantee of future actions. 31.53K	31.53K KatKomics private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 1
	Would CGC grade a book if I added a gem to the cover....like the Eclipso one in the 90s?? Oh man, oh man, oh man...gonna get my glue gun ready and rake in the cash!!
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I've spent years perfecting my brand of assholery. 59.99K	59.99K DrWatson private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 8
	They should have subbed to CBCS under the ART label. Any experienced slab collector knows you can't add anything via staples to a book once it leaves the publishers and expect a blue label from the cgc. So, the rules apply to me and you, but not to Black Flag and Clayton Crain? That's the real problem.
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Collector 2.35K	2.35K Sebastsk8 private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 6
	@HotKeyComics it kinda seems like he already is. He canceled on c2e2 and he already canceled on Boston fan expo too. I don't blame him at all for this, he just did the art - he didn't make all of the bs that followed. Also, I didn't watch the video that was posted until now...and I only made it a few minutes in before I started to gag. The whole cgc thing, sure that's bad. I don't agree with it. The high grades? Eh I dunno, they probably went right from being made to grading basically, which should always be higher than anything that endures handling. Should they be qualified? Yes. But that compared to this douchebag? Doesn't even compare at all. Not only is he fine with what he did, he's totally behind it 100% and proud of it. He must say 5 times in the first 2 minutes how dope black flag is. Dude, you're not dope. I had an issue with it before, but now...I will never buy anything from black flag.
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Masculinity takes a holiday. 37.35K	37.35K EbayMafia private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 5
	Quote: Originally Posted by Nuffsaid111 So whereas most (if not all I've read/seen) on this forum believe otherwise, there are a whole bunch out there who will continue to heavily support them if given the opportunity to do so. True, but the CGC forum is attacking this move even more brutally than this forum is.
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I've spent years perfecting my brand of assholery. 59.99K	59.99K DrWatson private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 5
	Quote: Originally Posted by EbayMafia Quote: Originally Posted by Nuffsaid111 So whereas most (if not all I've read/seen) on this forum believe otherwise, there are a whole bunch out there who will continue to heavily support them if given the opportunity to do so. True, but the CGC forum is attacking this move even more brutally than this forum is. That's because we're slightly more sophisticated than a pack of rabid hyenas.
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CBCS broke up with me over Facebook. 4.05K	4.05K CFP_Comics private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 2
	Quote: Originally Posted by DrWatson Quote: Originally Posted by EbayMafia Quote: Originally Posted by Nuffsaid111 So whereas most (if not all I've read/seen) on this forum believe otherwise, there are a whole bunch out there who will continue to heavily support them if given the opportunity to do so. True, but the CGC forum is attacking this move even more brutally than this forum is. That's because we're slightly more sophisticated than a pack of rabid hyenas. Slightly.
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