CGC puts blue label on "new" modified excl18147
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| @KatKomics Totally agree. The only reason I care is because other people do, and I just want to get rid of my comics. Why anyone cares in the first place remains beyond me. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by KatKomics How often do hasty generalizations end up being true? In this case, as a CGC customer myself, this is false. |
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| I think that, at the heart of the issue, is CGC not doing their due diligence when they decided to slab those highly questionable books without bothering to see if there was any legitimacy to the claims of being a proper, authorised variant. I suspect their customers who got suckered are not pleased. | ||
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KatKomics private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by theCapraAegagrus oh hey! I'm a CGC (also CBCS) user too (putting another order together now for CGC) but while a generalization doesn't fit all it probably covers a decent amount - if CGC customers didn't endorse the actions of the company they were using they would use another provider - it may not be outright approval but it is tacit approval to be sure.... |
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theCapraAegagrus private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by KatKomics I would suggest reading the CGC forums. It's safe to say that the vast majority of CGC customers who are vocal on this issue do not endorse this... Scam...? In fact, we're waiting on a statement from CGC today, to see if they have any interest in clearing this mess up. |
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Did any of the Baby Teeth “skin” covers ever get graded? I think these were also modified after the fact but they were pretty clear in the announcement that these were an existing variant that they added on to, though I guess it was also approved by Aftershock. Personally, I’m fine with the idea of modified comics as long as it’s made clear what they are. It doesn’t seem like that was the case with this Black Flag variant. I certainly think it should be acknowledged on the label. For CGC either hit the grade for the modification or give it a green label. CBCS, not having a green label, I’d expect a grade hit and description of the modification on the label. The whole pandering to influencers and such while “regular collectors” are left to pick up the crumbs is super shady |
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Byrdibyrd private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by theCapraAegagrus I would be interested to hear what they have to say. Even if they should have done their own research to start with, I can't imagine they're pleased with having been used that way. |
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KatKomics private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by theCapraAegagrus that's where the tacit approval comes in If you really, really don't approve - take your business elsewhere By not doing that and continuing to use CGC they are telling them with their wallets that they are ok with what is happening - $$ is the only thing business understands, all else is just noise For instance...I no longer buy ocean fish because of the fishing practices. I do eat fish caught in Lake Erie etc. (perch, salmon, trout, walleye etc.)that don't result in nets floating loose etc. If I came out and said those ocean fisheries are the worst but kept buying their products I'm really saying it's ok for them to keep doing what they are doing. |
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| Where that invisible comic I saw the other day.....ah yes...*raises it in his hand* here it is!! ...CGC...LOOK OUT!... a Gem 10 is coming your way!!  |
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theCapraAegagrus private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by KatKomics It cannot be tacit approval if we are explicitly, vocally condemning the action. We're not just 'going along with it'. We've criticized CGC and are awaiting a response. This just happened. |
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theCapraAegagrus private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Let's just say that the response from CGC is inadequate, LOL. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by theCapraAegagrus Yeah. I guess this just happened.  |
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 Cgc response And mine  |
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KatKomics private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by theCapraAegagrus lol indeed - on this we can at least agree - response was inadequate |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Jesse_Oprecedent? I guess the only way out is to back peddle and make up the rules and finagle the definition of manufacturing as you go along? |
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Byrdibyrd private msg quote post Address this user | |
| So, I can staple an acetate cover to any book I want and because my act of stapling constitutes a 'manufacturing process,' I'm in the clear? WTF? Do I smell the distinctive odour of BS...? |
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theCapraAegagrus private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by KatKomics And that's putting it lightly. To be honest, it's down-right stupid. The comic is a reprint, it's not an official variant, and it's had material added to it on the aftermarket. In no way, shape, or form is it a blue-label comic. |
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Byrdibyrd private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by theCapraAegagrus I'm stunned how what you just said was NOT their response. Disappointing doesn't even begin to describe it. |
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KatKomics private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by theCapraAegagrus to be fair I'm adding things in my head like - invisible comics, creep engine, newton rings, lax grading etc. etc. - this new issue is just the latest to add to the list - and as much as people complain about all those issues, this new issue and what will surely be a future issue but continue to use their services they are giving the only approval any company wants - $$$ Again though - I just sent 5 books to CGC and am putting together another group to send as we speak?/type?? these will not be for my PC but purely for resale because a) I believe they will get higher sale prices and b) it will be cheaper to get them graded There may be some going to CBCS that need VSP in the future or maybe PC only books...still on the fence what gets sent where due to pricing/shipping changes |
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theCapraAegagrus private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by KatKomics Well, to be fair to myself, I wasn't around for some of those issues and CGC owned-up to the Bad Idea invisible comic BS. Apparently, they didn't learn from their mistake, and I can already tell that some people (including myself) won't be supporting CGC anymore if they're denying the objective truth, that putting this modified reprint under a Universal label is wrong. |
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Murm private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Does anyone on here actually have one of these beauties? If so can you post a pic. EDIT - Nevermind I checked it out on Ebay |
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DrWatson private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I believe the Stray Dogs issue the cgc is referring to was actually manufactured that way. | ||
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dielinfinite private msg quote post Address this user | |
| @DrWatson It sounds like CGC is playing ignorance by suggesting their decision is correct because acetate variants have existed in the past and ignoring the fact that this was modified by a third party after production | ||
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SteveRicketts private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I feel the need to state our position on the topic. If a book has an acetate cover attached to it with staples, the grade it would receive from CBCS is based on the grade of the book if the acetate cover were removed. In the scenario discussed in this thread, the book would probably top out around a 7.0 because of the additional holes in the book created by the staples. The attached acetate cover and additional staples would be noted at the bottom of the label. This is, of course, if the book in question is a "manufactured variant" by a third party and not an actual solicited variant that was produced by the publisher. |
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SteveRicketts private msg quote post Address this user | |
| And I'll add that the comic would be identified as the base comic. We would not give a variant name to a book that was not an intended variant produced by the publisher. | ||
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dielinfinite private msg quote post Address this user | |
| @SteveRicketts Makes sense to me | ||
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southerncross private msg quote post Address this user | |
| @SteveRicketts Exactly, that's what a true impartial third party grading company would do! | ||
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Byrdibyrd private msg quote post Address this user | |
| @SteveRicketts Thank you. I appreciate knowing that. I feel that's exactly as it should be. |
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