CGC puts blue label on "new" modified excl18147
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| With all the stories this is generating, I wonder if cgc will address it. | ||
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| If this is just like a sketch cover, what stops anyone from taking a thousand copies of a book, adding XXX pornographic second cover to it, and reselling them as a Marvel product? I have a hard time imagining that CGC would blue-label slab it as "Porno Variant". You can't just create your own variants of someone else's licensed product. I imagine Marvel will protect their brand. Will be interesting to see how this plays out. | ||
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| Nahhhhh.....it'll be fine...Marvel owned by Disney and Disney is notoriously ok with others profiting from their brands | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by xjagnew This is the actual issue here. Added staples and an altered book. This wasn't printed like this and isn't a Marvel licensed product so it's not a variant or an exclusive. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by 50AE_DEThat's a way to think of a yellow label though. A qualified grade on an altered comic that is accepted in the hobby. Never heard anyone get hyped about a bunch of extra staple in their book or physically adding pieces to it. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by KatKomics That's pretty much exactly what I was thinking. When it comes to brand protection, Disney don't play. |
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| I think there’s a few of these kinds of manufactured variants that get a pass from both CGC and CBCS. Case in point, the Miracleman foil-stamped Archive Editions. If I understand the story correctly, and correct me if I’m wrong, New Dimension took unsold issues, created a foil stamp and sold the books as the “Eclipse Archive Editions.” Granted I haven’t seen a CBCS unsigned copy over 9.6 but there are a couple of signed 9.8s and they don’t mention the stamp being added after manufacture  |
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| @dielinfinite hasn't CBCS changed their stance on stamps over the years? I seem to remember them counting McFarlane's spider web stamp as a defect in the past and wouldn't grade a book higher than 9.6, but now will potentially give the same book a 9.8. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by dielinfinite @dielinfinite was New Dimension a publisher, or a retailer? I tried using the Google but all I can find is a chain of comic book stores called New Dimensions. |
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dielinfinite private msg quote post Address this user | |
| @EbayMafia They’re the shop. I don’t know if its the same one still active now. The publisher of the original issues was Eclipse Comics | ||
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| This is no different than "pieces added to cover" on a restored book. They should be designated the same way. | ||
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 I'm waiting.... (tapping fingers).Splotches is gettin old! |
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| And I sometimes wonder why I can't wait to sell every single slabbed book I own. The shenanigans combined with incompetence in this shady capitalism game today is more than I can bear. I'm supposed to be able to trust slabbing companies at the very top. Hobbyist's B.S.; store B.S. Manufacturer's B.S. Slab company incompetence B.S. and now lack of trust. I've seen enough. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by dielinfinite As I understand it, New Dimensions purchased unsold, warehoused issues of Miracleman with the intention of creating the foil-stamped Archive Editions and that they did receive permission to do just that, which is how they have the 'Eclipse Archive Edition' in the name of the legitimate variant. New Dimension does still exist and last time I checked they still have some copies of foil-stamped Miracleman books. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by dielinfinite Store stamps are also a historical part of the comic collector community. If it's a pedigree it actually increases the value of the comis. It's still done today with store stamps on FCBD comics. I still don't see how that's equivalent to stapling additional components onto a comic. If what @Byrdibyrd said is accurate and they received permission, then it could be considered a variant. |
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Byrdibyrd private msg quote post Address this user | |
| @etapi65 To the best of my knowledge, New Dimension had permission to create these 'archive editions' and to use the piece of original Totleben art for the foil stamp. Thanks to the books having been 'rescued' from a warehousing situation, quite a few have minor damage (blunted corners, slight edge wear), so not many will grade really high. That signed #17 above in 9.8 is very rare. |
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| My understanding is this: Black Fang is a store which has had exclusive variants in the past, so CGC thought this was some sort of official reprint variant of which Black Fang collaborated with Marvel, based on the label annotation ( "Acetate Edition" ). | ||
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 I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this.
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| This wouldn't qualify as a Purple label/Restoration as the acetate is not acting as a condition improvement to the original book. It's not trying make the book look better compared to how its was originally released. This is adding acetate to create a "unique" product not unlike a remarque on a blank cover only its not ink being added but a wraparound cover including staples. Similar to adding "jewels" to a Remarqued cover. |
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| I hate to defend CGC, but given the vast amount of variants nowadays, it's probably not realistic to expect them to keep up with all of them. That doesn't necessarily defend Black Fang's marketing. | ||
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I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this.
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GAC private msg quote post Address this user | |
| @dennisqdw if any grading company chooses to populate their label with information on the comic they have an obligation to keep up with all the variants. | ||
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 would be nice to have a snugger fit.
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 Evidently adding staples to a book is considered blue label. But then again, so was an "invisible" comic. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by GAC @GAC You're right, the information had to come from somewhere other than the publisher listed on the label. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by HotKeyComics Looks like CBCS does the same thing with books from Jay Company where they staple their own cover on Zenescope books.  |
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I'm waiting.... (tapping fingers). Splotches is gettin old! |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Zombie_Head "... was without the benefit or foresight that it would be the hot book of the convention". Mmmmmmm hmmmmmmm..... and I'm Santa Claus. Oh wait Nerdy Girl - why were you within the first few in line again? Exactly - actions speak louder the words - another liar. |
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I'm waiting.... (tapping fingers). Splotches is gettin old! |
Nuffsaid111 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Here's the other B.S. Line: "I followed the same rules as everyone else". Hmmm - does that include being within the first few people on that line because you had a dealer badge and was able to get on the line before the doors open? Same rule huh? She should be a politician. What's she doing in comics? |
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| @HotKeyComics In your original post you wrote “this should kill their credibility” What do you think the fallout will be? (no pun intended) Actually I welcome anyones opinion on what becomes of this. |
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would be nice to have a snugger fit.
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Quote:Originally Posted by Murmonster I respect Hotkey, but I do disagree on this. I don't think anything will hurt their credibility in any major way. They've done so many things that are screwed up. We keep mentioning the "invisible" comics that were just acetate and 2 staples, and they gladly put their name and grade on them. And while there are many of us who see these things and use it when making our choices for grading... there are just way too many people who think they can do no wrong, along with others who just accept it because they feel the CGC label is worth more than the CBCS label. Pretty sure CGC knows they are in no danger of losing much business no matter what stupid gimmicks they involve their name in. Sad, but true. Just my opinion. |
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Where's his Bat-package?
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Byrdibyrd private msg quote post Address this user | |
| @Sigur_Ros I wish I could argue with your opinion, but I think you're right. Maybe the 'invisible' comics were just a joke that went too far, but this is on another level. Even so, my guess is the CGC sycophants will brush this off, too. |
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