CGC puts blue label on "new" modified excl18147
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Quote:Originally Posted by BronteMostly. Acetate is used as a protective cover, for overlaying graphics for special effect (like blood spatter), in place of paper for its ultra shininess, or for graphics that cannot work on paper (like the Chromium Valiant covers). Acetate is also ph neutral so it works well for our hobby in the long term. |
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| @dennisqdw When I was shopping at comic mint. I thought it was a limited release variant. I'm glad I couldn't find it now. Given popularity of miles morales I thought it would be a good speculation book. Especially since I have never heard of it before. There are a lot of new books out the past few years that are completely new to me. A metal cover for example. Is it really a metal cover or is it a foil? I have no clue. I assumed comic mint would not deal with sketchy stuff so I assumed it was legit. Glad I'm old and too slow to figure out the web site now though.... |
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| So is this the next one? It doesn't seem like anything is on ebay now. CGC Cert # 4100794001 Title Ghost Rider Issue 1 Issue Date 4/22 Issue Year 2022 Publisher Marvel Comics Variant ""Zymotica Vs"" Acetate Edition Grade 9.8 Page Quality WHITE Grade Date 07/28/2022 Grade Category Modern Art Comments Benjamin Percy story Cory Smith art Clayton Crain cover Key Comments Acetate cover. Ghost Rider #247 Infinite Black Publishing exclusive. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Bronte I understand the confusion. Comic Mint has always been very safe. |
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| Is Black Flag Comics, Infinite Black Publishing? | ||
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 If I could, I would. I swear.
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| This book was originally published with the top front cover picture window blank. Shelton, the owner of Heroes Aren't Hard to Find, had cover artist Phil Noto create an original image of Heroes owner Shelton and his wife Linda for the Astonishing X-Men #51 variant cover. The image was professionally printed on label stock and placed on the blank area of the cover. He sold copies of the book at his show during the year of publication. If you submitted a copy to the cgc for grading with the label on the cover, it received a qualified label. I don't know why the book in the op should have been treated any differently.  |
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| So I was reading a bit more on this. Apparently the acetate is drawn on and is a dedication to those in armed services. It is limited to 750 copies, although I would imagine anybody with access to acetate and a a means of putting the ink on it could replicate it. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by 50AE_DEfrom what I could find; it looks like it is not an official print variant other than the fact that it is the Clayton Crain Black Flag Exclusive. No official mentions of “acetate”, “zymotica”, or #247 related to the exclusive print. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Brontegood work  I look solely the issue mentioned not “art work”. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by DrWatson Did the owner of the shop submit the books himself? |
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Quote:Originally Posted by 50AE_DE @50AE_DE I think the issue is when CGC, a certification company, puts it in a label that says "Marvel" on it. It contains Marvel material but it is different from the product that Marvel produced. |
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| @EbayMafia Thinking about this, my feelings are mixed. On the one hand, to me it is somewhat akin to a blank cover being drawn on by the artist. On the other hand, they added a physical piece to the book and is selling it at a profit. Marvel got their share and if you parse it down, the ink or whatever medium an artist uses on a blank cover is physically adding to the book as well. I dont know if it's good or bad, only time will tell, but for 300$ bux or so I'd rather buy a copy of asm 194 and take my chances on that instead. |
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| @Bronte I'll have the AS-M #194, thanks. That's a proper investment. |
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| @Byrdibyrd Lol. I've been stock piling copies every chance I get. I have multiple high grade. Right now I'm slowly adding mid grades. I'm thinking black cat is eventually going to be the cats meow..... |
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| @EbayMafia as @Bronte mentioned, it's not much different than if someone remarks the cover or sketches onto the cover. The owner of the book is free to do as they wish. All yellow labels will have "Marvel" listed on the slab. I thought the cease and desist was sent to Black Flag, not CGC. |
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| Well, it is different than a remark or a sketch cover in one very important way. Staples were added to the book. IMO, there is no way any of them should get NEAR a 9.8 or 9.9!! | ||
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| @Jesse_O Very valid point. |
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| Well of course adding staples is different than a remark or signature. What I was talking about was how CGC put "Marvel" on their slab, not about the staple. Whether a signature/remark, or staple, they're all defects since they're not original to the book. Only difference between the two defects is you have to pay a little more to ignore the defect. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Bronte Yeah, valid point, but he missed the point I was making. I didn't say added staples and sketches were no different. My comments were at: Quote: Originally Posted by EbayMafia Here is my response: It's not much different than if someone remarks the cover or sketches onto the cover. The owner of the book is free to do as they wish. All yellow labels will have "Marvel" listed on the slab. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Bronte Like a knucklehead I sold mine. Heck, maybe you have it!  |
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| As a big fan of Clayton Crain, I’ve bought lots of books from Black Flag - they work with him pretty frequently on retailer exclusive covers. Super disappointed to hear how they handled this, I definitely thought it was an official variant and not just a modified book. |
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| @50AE_DE I'm not taking sides and I'm not saying your right or wrong, honestly I glossed over your statement and didnt give it as much attention on my first pass as maybe i should have. However, my first thoughts that came to mind after reading @Jesse_O comment was is it kinda like restoration because you are physically adding to the book? My comment was not reflecting or disputing or anything else about your comments. |
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| No worries @Bronte. I think this is an interesting thread. | ||
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| If Black Flag wants to deface some books that's their business. What I take issue with is the implication that these defaced books should then be sold as anything other than what they are. Putting a defaced book in a CGC slab with a high grade on it is doing just that. It's a scam at best and a fraud at worst. | ||
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| With all the stories this is generating, I wonder if cgc will address it. | ||
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| If this is just like a sketch cover, what stops anyone from taking a thousand copies of a book, adding XXX pornographic second cover to it, and reselling them as a Marvel product? I have a hard time imagining that CGC would blue-label slab it as "Porno Variant". You can't just create your own variants of someone else's licensed product. I imagine Marvel will protect their brand. Will be interesting to see how this plays out. | ||
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 Suck it up, buttercup!!
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| Nahhhhh.....it'll be fine...Marvel owned by Disney and Disney is notoriously ok with others profiting from their brands | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by xjagnew This is the actual issue here. Added staples and an altered book. This wasn't printed like this and isn't a Marvel licensed product so it's not a variant or an exclusive. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by 50AE_DEThat's a way to think of a yellow label though. A qualified grade on an altered comic that is accepted in the hobby. Never heard anyone get hyped about a bunch of extra staple in their book or physically adding pieces to it. |
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