CGC puts blue label on "new" modified excl18147
 I'm good with splotches.
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Quote:Originally Posted by Davethebrave I could not agree more. This is the base issue & root cause of almost any shenanigans I can think of in the recent past |
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 If the viagra is working you should be well over a 9.8.
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xkonk private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by Nuffsaid111 For me, if you rename these as 1) people who did a stupid (bordering fraudulent) thing to make a buck 2) people who legitimized the stupid thing to make a buck 3) people doing what they always do to make a buck, without much discernment it becomes much easier to put the blame in the order they came in. Maybe 1 and 2 are tied. But 2 and 3 don't exist if 1 doesn't create the situation. |
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Nuffsaid111 private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by xkonk Great point I'm just at the place in life where I can handle most anything except deception and lying. It's rampant, disgusting, and somehow acceptable |
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 It was a one trick pony show but always hilarious.
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GAC private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by xkonk But part of the reason why CGC/3rd Party graders exist to begin with is to identify the #1's of the list. Instead of issuing a Qualified label or Universal label with impacted grade we got what we got. We can not expect scammers not to scam....but we can expect the 3rd Party graders to do their jobs and identify the scammers accordingly by issuing correct labels and grades. Its part of why we buy their service. |
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 I’m not an ant. I’m a rootin tootin Hornet!
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Zombie_Head private msg quote post Address this user | |
| 1&2 are equal they where in it together. Then 3 pushed it after they found out about the book. | ||
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Nuffsaid111 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I suppose my problem is I don't trust; and have never trusted grading companies either. - just being honest as that's all I ask everyone to be. I've seen enough over the years to trust only myself and a few of my close friends. That's about it. Call me a hardened NYer, but that's my feeling and I'm standing by it based on my observations over the years. |
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etapi65 private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by Nuffsaid111 2 lack integrity in essentially verifying a fraudulent item and seemingly providing what you can't honestly believe are unquestionably accurate grades. This does the most damage to our hobby. 1 Making a fraudulent product by altering leftovers from a 3000 print run book. If CGC doesn't legitimize it...this is a non-issue. Bootlegs/altered/unlicensed books aren't new. 3 Who gives a crap. Black Flag is responsible for creating this problem as well. Black Flag created that issue, not influencers. And lets not pretend this doesn't happen all the time at cons. I'm not sure why people are pissed at Clayton Crain. He designed an acetate cover for a company with whom he has a long-standing, working relationship. Do we all believe that he knew about their work with CGC or that BLack Flag didn't go through the appropriate steps to get licensing? Does he make executive decisions for Black Flag of which I'm unaware? Has Black Flag ever pulled anything like this in the past that we know of so Clayton should have been suspect? |
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If the viagra is working you should be well over a 9.8.
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xkonk private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by GAC A man can dream. |
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 Where's his Bat-package?
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Byrdibyrd private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by GAC This is it right here. CGC had a service to perform for the community of comic collectors who support their business, and they showed total disregard for that community. |
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It was a one trick pony show but always hilarious.
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GAC private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by xkonk  |
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It was a one trick pony show but always hilarious.
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GAC private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by Byrdibyrd Agreed 100% |
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southerncross private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by Nuffsaid111 2 all that matters, impartial grading company grading a book altered after publishing as legit. Black flag is a comic book dealer. Runs his business the way he wants. As a consumer if I don't like his business practices I don't spend money at his booth In the past there have been good comic book dealers and bad comic book dealers and they've come and gone. There will be good comic book dealers and bad comic book dealers in the future. As comic book collectors we can choose which dealers we want to conduct business with As for the influencers they want to be famous inside our hobby. With fame comes a price You have to be above approach because any smell of scandal that fame can turn into a curse. |
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Where's his Bat-package?
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Byrdibyrd private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by southerncross Does it reflect negatively on my character if I kinda hope that happens? |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Byrdibyrd Not at all. Famous movie celebrities, football players ect. Who are famous have to live their lives squeaky clean privately and publicly. They knew that getting into it. And these influencers knew that as was well inside our hobby. They are in social media and they know how social media works. |
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 You can't get good wood on the ball every time.
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Quote:Originally Posted by etapi65 because Clayton has been noticeably silent on all this and he is reportedly part of Black Flags publishing company. He cancelled his C2E2 appearance and he cancelled Boston this weekend as well, all without a statement. if he didn't know, you would think he would of distanced himself by now with a statement, especially since this could potentially have long term consequences for him with Marvel. |
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 Not trying to be an ass since February 12, 2020.
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Quote:Originally Posted by Davethebrave The problem is that this book was graded and labeled as an official print “variant” when it should have been slabbed as art or something similar to a sketch or commissioned cover and taking any grade hit that would come with adding to the original book. To me this is much like a commissioned cover/sketch. You have an artist use that book as a canvas for that work and it is notated as such when slabbed. I’m this case the acetate was that canvas and the cover completed the image after being attached after the official print. |
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southerncross private msg quote post Address this user | |
| @Byrdibyrd and no one drops $4k - $14k on a limited con exclusive unless they knew they could corner the market and make a profit in under seven days. Greed was the foundation to this story and when looked into it layers were removed and other parties were exposed. |
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Where's his Bat-package?
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Byrdibyrd private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by southerncross Yes, it was. And it's a bit sad that CGC sold its integrity out so that Black Flag and bunch of smarmy influencers could make a quick buck. All CGC got out of it was fees for the books submitted and a permanent black mark on their reputation. There really isn't that much separating CGC from PGX now, IMHO. What a shame. |
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ComicNinja0215 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I'll tell you who's really behind all of this.... THAT DAMN SASQUATCH!!! |
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 would be nice to have a snugger fit.
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Quote:Originally Posted by HulkSmash Completely agree. I tried that explanation at the other forum and they went off on me  They thought I was defending this. Their biggest argument was that there are 750 of these and apparently a sketch can only be one-of-a-kind, which is of course untrue. Think I mentioned it earlier in this thread too. But yea, it's the same as sketching these things on the book... but done better. |
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ComicNinja0215 private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by Sigur_Ros They tend to do that a lot there ,unfortunately. |
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 If I could, I would. I swear.
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DrWatson private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by Sigur_Ros It's not the same as sketching on an existing cover. It's the same as sketching on a piece of paper and attaching it to an already published book with additional staples. If you want to go the sketch route, and that is a big if, then the label should have at least been yellow. The yellow label itself is a qualified label giving the book a grade by discounting the art or signature applied to it. |
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You can't get good wood on the ball every time.
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HotKeyComics private msg quote post Address this user | |
CGC has made up some... er... released the rules they used to grade these:  |
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etapi65 private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by HotKeyComics I would assume there is some sort of official contracts between Crain and Black Flag as they're two branches of infinite black publishing. So to me his silence is just silence due to what could be a difficult business relationship. He is part of infinite black publishing, but only on the design side (as far as anyone seems to know). Not sure we know anything about his role in licensing. |
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 Suck it up, buttercup!!
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KatKomics private msg quote post Address this user | |
| @HotKeyComics wow..just wow...make up their own rules to cover their asses for the f up they made/helped create | ||
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If I could, I would. I swear.
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DrWatson private msg quote post Address this user | |
| @HotKeyComics That's a load of made up after the fact mumbo jumbo. | ||
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If I could, I would. I swear.
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DrWatson private msg quote post Address this user | |
| It's also insane that they still receive a universal label. If Herb Trimpe was still alive, I wonder if I could get him to draw me a new Marvel Value Stamp on acetate, staple into my Hulk 181 missing the value stamp, and get a universal label from the cgc? |
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HotKeyComics private msg quote post Address this user | |
| the hits keep on coming... Black Flag literally is giving away suckers at their booth in Boston. Suckers for all the suckers.  |
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It was a one trick pony show but always hilarious.
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GAC private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by HotKeyComics I think this is how many businesses in this industry view collectors...CGC included. |
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Where's his Bat-package?
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Byrdibyrd private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by DrWatson If we could do the same with Rich Buckler, I could fix up my DD #131!! It's a plan! |
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