CGC puts blue label on "new" modified excl18147
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| @Byrdibyrd at least those books won't sell lol. May not be much, but I suppose it's something. | ||
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| @Sebastsk8 For that amount of crazy money they'd better not sell! If they do the knucklehead who buys it will deserve the white elephant they receive. |
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| just explaining this book to someone ( without including the drama around the way it was sold) is a chore " its a facsimile print with a variant cover ( that in itself its nonsensical to me ) with another bootleg cover stapled on thats made by store owner to move stock ( not endorsed by Marvel) but has been graded as if it were and was able to sell at $85 + a its grading higher than the original book ever did. " seriously... whoever is listening would glaze over in the first few seconds . |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Jesse_O Except I was asked are you not a loyal cbcs customer? 90% of my slabs are CGC so I have a lot of money tied up in them Isn't it logical that I want cgc to pull up their socks and fly right! And not lose integrity and in doing so cost me money! |
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Quote:Originally Posted by southerncross Absolutely!!! This reflects badly on the whole grading community. |
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| @Southern Cross (love that tune by CSN) - since you own 10% CBCS - without monetary inclusion - what do you think is in the right, if I may be so bold to ask? You did say....that CGC needs to "pull up their socks"....agreed...they effed up....and have done so with the "invisible" comic thingy too. Sooo...can we get a glimpse of your objectiveness? Thanks sir! Tim |
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| I don't anticipate that this will be the moment when all CGC slabs become suspect. Not even close really. Even when PGX made a complete mess of things, their label lost value but the books were still worth whatever they would grade at in other slabs. CGC labels aren't going to be "red flagged" over this the way PGX labels are. Maybe 9.9's, 10's and some 9.8's...but they should have been red flagged all along. If the end result of this were to be that 9.9's and 10's lost their nonsense premium and 9.8's were valued more in line with 9.6's...I would say that is something that should have happened a long time ago. That's just the market waking up and accepting the absurdity that was always there. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by Wraith Yeah, that's pretty much how I explained it to a friend of mine, and she did glaze over! |
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Byrdibyrd private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by Jesse_O Exactly this. |
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| Could Black Flag be open to litigation? All those flippers who bought a comic from an established disributor that they now know is an unlicensed product. Sounds like fraud. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by etapi65 Maybe they should change their name to Red Flag? "Buy anything from us - it's a Red Flag!!" |
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Quote:Originally Posted by ZosoRocks Thanks Tim. Personally I think it's a bad look at the entire third party comic book grading industry. Here you have CGC grading a after published altered comic book like it was just published in a blue label. Being altered after it was published it should of been graded with a green qualified label at best for the grade. The grades these books were given look like gimmick grades like the invisible bad idea books were graded. When a third party grading company has the lions share of the market doing this. It casts a dark shadow over the entire third party grading industry. One could say if CGC is doing this, what the hell are the other companies doing who don't have a large spotlight on them all the time? What is CBCS, PGX, Hallo and all the other grading companies doing that if known to the hobby that are doing dubious things as well. I would not be surprised if owners of these grading companies send a email to CGC and ask them what are you doing to our hobby? As Jesse said this goes way past brand loyalty. This should concern people in the hobby that really love comic books. My 5c |
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Quote:Originally Posted by etapi65 It’s America. Every(one/thing/entity) is subject to potential litigation. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by etapi65 It sounds very much like fraud. I also wonder if it the potential for legal action that prompted slabbed Acetate Gate books to be removed from eBay. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by southerncross I feel ya SC. This is the bad turn onto the desert road of nowhere. You said: "Being altered after it was published it should of been graded with a green qualified label at best for the grade." You are right - a qualified at best. Shoot...I had a Chaykin signed SW1 graded by CGC at 9.6...but only rcvd a qualified label....for "a mark on cover", This BS cover is a "mark"....and it gets a blue one? Wait. What? Eff CGC. It just sealed my use of them....I'll use CBCS. They lost a customer. Thank you for the response. Great info. Be safe. Tim |
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| I guess the bottom lines are..... - will BF continue to do this? - will CGC allow this to continue? - What does Marvel/Disney think? - We heard from both companies (CGC and CBCS) - is this motivation for all to look a little deeper into...uhm.."variant covers"? Peace to all. Be safe. Tim |
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| We should take a poll on which entity, personally, has you most angry at as a result of this; and it what order. Is it: 1. Black Flag 2. CGC 3. The "Influencers"/Youtubers For me it goes: 3, 2, 1 |
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Quote:Originally Posted by KatKomicsplot gets thicker.. Bleeding cool just released an article that states infinite black is an actual publishing house created by Clayton crain and black flag and they have a preview comic of their first new IP already out.. And they are throwing that same brand in acetate all over marvel comics without authorisation and selling them I don't know the legal term for this but in Australia common tounge is " mate, you are f&$#ed" |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Nuffsaid111 2. 1. 4. Clayton Crain I'm not really mad at 3, they've been doing it forever and will continue to do so. Black Flag could have easily limited copies and then 3 would be a non issue. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Nuffsaid111 For me it's easily CGC. They are a certification authority. No one else makes this claim to authority. They give the product a level of credibility that it could not even come close to with them. Without CGC certification, or with more appropriate certification, it's an Underground Frankenstein project that probably never gets produced in any kind of quantity. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by ZosoRocks There's a connection I didn't make before! That's a good point. A legit creator's signature gets dinged but this fraudulent hot mess is all good? Nonsense! |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Nuffsaid111 I'm voting for 2, 1, 3. CGC should know better and if they hadn't put their 'stamp of legitimacy' on this it would be a non-starter. Black Flag started it all and it sucks, but it wouldn't have gotten anywhere near as far without the help from CGC. The 'influencers' are shallow, useless opportunists who saw possibilities for questionable personal gain, but they never spawned anything here. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Byrdibyrd 2, 1, 3 for me as well. Everything mentioned pretty much sums it up. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by HotKeyComics Yep - I hear ya. I've been a convention go-er for over 30 years; abiding by lines, entry times, etc... And I am so sick and tired of folks who somehow get dealer/exhibitor badges (and don't even have a booth!!) lining up prior to door opening for exclusives. So it has a special "this really pisses me off" place in my heart. That's not even the part that really grinds me. What really grinds me is that this new breed of influencers/youtubers pass themselves off as your buddy, comrade, they're here to share within the comic community; for the community by the community - y'know all that "we're here for you" B.S. And here they are exposed with taking short boxes from the very fans in line behind them they purport to be their buddies with. Gee - how'd they all get at the beginning of the line? Mmmmm hmmmm.... exhibitor/dealer badges - scoundrels. I call bullsh*t. For me, 1 & 2 are the pond scum side of capitalism. For 3 - they're just flat out deceivers, scoundrels, b.s artists, and I hate deception and lying more than anything in this world. The good news out of all this - I now know who these individuals are. I say no more than that |
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| Summary: The recent issues in comic collecting have primarily come from the modern / variant hype and speculation segment. Analysis: This has driven/enabled: * deluge of modern books submitted for grading during a time of capacity constraints * influencer swarming of the hobby since enough volume / low enough entry cost for anyone to participate * manufacturer/third party participants following the $ (CGC…) Rant: We’ve seen this story play out before. The participants and pain was slightly different pre-slab, more local world of the 90s. The shakeout of the crash was different. History repeats. This is not assigning blame per se. Everyone contributes, including any collector that gets even partially involved (eg UF4 Newstand cover at idiotic prices, CPV hype, etc). It is feeding speculation around a manufactured scarcity because actual scarcity is - well, scarce. |
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I'm waiting.... (tapping fingers). Splotches is gettin old! |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Davethebrave I could not agree more. This is the base issue & root cause of almost any shenanigans I can think of in the recent past |
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 If the viagra is working you should be well over a 9.8.
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Quote:Originally Posted by Nuffsaid111 For me, if you rename these as 1) people who did a stupid (bordering fraudulent) thing to make a buck 2) people who legitimized the stupid thing to make a buck 3) people doing what they always do to make a buck, without much discernment it becomes much easier to put the blame in the order they came in. Maybe 1 and 2 are tied. But 2 and 3 don't exist if 1 doesn't create the situation. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by xkonk Great point I'm just at the place in life where I can handle most anything except deception and lying. It's rampant, disgusting, and somehow acceptable |
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 I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this.
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Quote:Originally Posted by xkonk But part of the reason why CGC/3rd Party graders exist to begin with is to identify the #1's of the list. Instead of issuing a Qualified label or Universal label with impacted grade we got what we got. We can not expect scammers not to scam....but we can expect the 3rd Party graders to do their jobs and identify the scammers accordingly by issuing correct labels and grades. Its part of why we buy their service. |
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| 1&2 are equal they where in it together. Then 3 pushed it after they found out about the book. | ||
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