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I wish I had a title. ComicNinja0215 private msg quote post Address this user
All the wizard ace editions have acetate cover BUT were manufactured that way and approved by marvel comics.
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All the wizard ace editions have acetate cover BUT were manufactured thay way and approved by marvel comics.


Yes, the problem with these is that the base comic with a retailer exclusive cover, approved by Marvel, was made in 2021. Then they later altered the base comic with an add-on, post-printing acetate cover that changed the originally approved artwork and added a political message (open to interpretation).
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lol....best one yet?
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@SGT_Comics yes and while I like Crain's art; that thin is hideous.
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The way SS are done these day when books are sent off to be done in private session you could have room full of people signing books and putting yellow labels on and provided the sig looks passable noone would know any better..

The magic of meeting someone you respect having a chat and the memory of watching them sign has been perverted by this ss private signing garbage


@Wraith While I feel the same as you do about the ss private signings being impersonal as you don't get to chat and have the memory of watching them sign I can't see how they could be bogus.
Some upcoming signings include Willem Dafoe, Emilia Clarke, Josh Brolin & Benedict Cumberbatch.
They are telling the world that these celebs will be there for signing.
If any were asked about it and they denied taking part well you could imagine how that would turn out.
. I went to the extreme example. But theres so many potential holes in the process to be exploited where someone might get illegitimate sig slipped into the pile or someone runs out of time to sign all books but they get done anyway.. Noone will ever know... Its so impersonal, does it even matter at that point anyway?


@Wraith No it does not and I do agree with your thoughts to sum up how I feel about it I'm going to alter @EbayMafia's comment from post #100

I'm glad I live in an alternate universe where ss books don't exist.
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If there was EVER a time for CBCS to announce magazine grading is active, this is that time!!
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Where's his Bat-package? Byrdibyrd private msg quote post Address this user
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I have to agree. This is such a stupid $h*t$h*w. CGC coming up with utterly lame, convoluted excuses for why they did what they did is NOT helping. Also not helping is rubbish like this:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/195268521004?_trkparms=amclksrc%3DITM%26aid%3D1110006%26algo%3DHOMESPLICE.SIM%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D240774%26meid%3Dcd82321f5e82423f979204672087a255%26pid%3D101112%26rk%3D3%26rkt%3D24%26sd%3D115488120889%26itm%3D195268521004%26pmt%3D1%26noa%3D0%26pg%3D2563228%26algv%3DSimplAMLv9PairwiseWebMskuAspectsV1&_trksid=p2563228.c101112.m1982&amdata=cksum%3A195268521004cd82321f5e82423f979204672087a255%7Cenc%3AAQAHAAABIB1%252BEDlO8Ujs16zToAiXABkdavKwlm0OjPGKJ8%252F6xnWOE2ha0IdGuyCJCdP45fifzfhgepp1RsZZMQ5bf8IiR%252FzcQAGZx7S5wyAlnxm6r03NY3tt0t9wWa%252FYn7gkS2WdAP9ulidCegFvvGfFUeLCRprsgexB9c%252FIzlYaH%252FudxEoJIsekd13g6Rd3s6xB%252B%252FtWbUVR1hrKu%252Fh%252BDpAKPhfTckbkpd03d%252F41gozKbOvwh6j5WWg2KaI6P0LbTd9J5q934airF8c9WPgnFWq9AvTLHMIi0g8DwsFqv7zG1TJ7JnUipHWTN2l0Sx%252FodRfH932%252FHs6zMnN7Awp9s59qVFcFGL9qHj31uUOSqU1xuec75dgob0zbASp9lH5Zv4suDC7ZNQ%253D%253D%7Campid%3APLX_CLK%7Cclp%3A2563228
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Where's his Bat-package? Byrdibyrd private msg quote post Address this user
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If there was EVER a time for CBCS to announce magazine grading is active, this is that time!!

DO IT! I can practically guarantee there would be some defectors.
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Please continue to ignore anything I post. southerncross private msg quote post Address this user
@Byrdibyrd That is bidding done so the seller doesn't sell it,

I suspect they are all non paying bidders.

And since eBay had removed a slab book on auction stating that it isn't a authorized marvel variant by the publisher..

The high bidders can refuse to pay stating that it's not a authorized marvel variant

Because you can't sell unauthorized, counterfeit ect. Items on eBay
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@Byrdibyrd That is bidding done so the seller doesn't sell it,

I suspect they are all non paying bidders.

And since eBay had removed a slab book on auction stating that it isn't a authorized marvel variant by the publisher..

The high bidders can refuse to pay stating that it's not a authorized marvel variant

Because you can't sell unauthorized, counterfeit ect. Items on eBay


nice!!!

time to bid up to $50k??
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Keep your $6.87 bro... not even saving tax with that. Cli4dR3D0g private msg quote post Address this user
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Sooo....


If I had the invisible comic...and attached an acetate cover to it.....


Green label detatched cover?
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It was a one trick pony show but always hilarious. GAC private msg quote post Address this user
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I have to agree. This is such a stupid $h*t$h*w. CGC coming up with utterly lame, convoluted excuses for why they did what they did is NOT helping. Also not helping is rubbish like this:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/195268521004?_trkparms=amclksrc%3DITM%26aid%3D1110006%26algo%3DHOMESPLICE.SIM%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D240774%26meid%3Dcd82321f5e82423f979204672087a255%26pid%3D101112%26rk%3D3%26rkt%3D24%26sd%3D115488120889%26itm%3D195268521004%26pmt%3D1%26noa%3D0%26pg%3D2563228%26algv%3DSimplAMLv9PairwiseWebMskuAspectsV1&_trksid=p2563228.c101112.m1982&amdata=cksum%3A195268521004cd82321f5e82423f979204672087a255%7Cenc%3AAQAHAAABIB1%252BEDlO8Ujs16zToAiXABkdavKwlm0OjPGKJ8%252F6xnWOE2ha0IdGuyCJCdP45fifzfhgepp1RsZZMQ5bf8IiR%252FzcQAGZx7S5wyAlnxm6r03NY3tt0t9wWa%252FYn7gkS2WdAP9ulidCegFvvGfFUeLCRprsgexB9c%252FIzlYaH%252FudxEoJIsekd13g6Rd3s6xB%252B%252FtWbUVR1hrKu%252Fh%252BDpAKPhfTckbkpd03d%252F41gozKbOvwh6j5WWg2KaI6P0LbTd9J5q934airF8c9WPgnFWq9AvTLHMIi0g8DwsFqv7zG1TJ7JnUipHWTN2l0Sx%252FodRfH932%252FHs6zMnN7Awp9s59qVFcFGL9qHj31uUOSqU1xuec75dgob0zbASp9lH5Zv4suDC7ZNQ%253D%253D%7Campid%3APLX_CLK%7Cclp%3A2563228


Guaranteed that's troll bidding.
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Suck it up, buttercup!! KatKomics private msg quote post Address this user
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Sooo....


If I had the invisible comic...and attached an acetate cover to it.....


Green label detatched cover?



lol.... Booooo..hisssssss

10.0 GEM all the way!!!
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There is an uneasy truce in the CGC vs CBCS debate. For once, members from both communities are united against an atrocity that all hope will not be repeated. That atrocity was giving a universal blue label to a number of comics without grading them accordingly to long established and accepted guidelines. While there are many factors at play in this current fiasco, this is something that unites our small community of graded comic book devotees.

Remember this time. One day, your grandkids may ask what you did during this era. 😁
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Wait.. What!!!!
I think I got robbed....
My Batman 125 with acetate cover only has two staples....
Someone owes me a set of staples so I can get a universal grade 9.9.....


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ac·e·tate

noun
noun: acetate; plural noun: acetates
1.
CHEMISTRY
a salt or ester of acetic acid, containing the anion CH3COO− or the group —OCCH3.
"A more extensive study involving 86 CD patients examined the effect of 50,000 IU vitamin A acetate twice daily or placebo for an average of 14.1 months."
2.
cellulose acetate, especially as used to make textile fibers or plastic.
"acetate silk"
a transparency made of cellulose acetate film.
"A final suggestion for getting images onto clear plastic sheets for this and other projects is to use an acrylic medium and transfer the ink-jet printed image to the acetate."
a recording disk coated with cellulose acetate.
"At one time, ‘recording ‘was essentially defined as putting a group of performers into an enclosed space and rolling acetates, or tape, to capture the event.’"
I believe also; Most asses have tates. I may be wrong.


😆
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@southerncross
I have to agree. This is such a stupid $h*t$h*w. CGC coming up with utterly lame, convoluted excuses for why they did what they did is NOT helping. Also not helping is rubbish like this


There is some crazy trolling happening on these right now.


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Guaranteed that's troll bidding.
@southerncross
I totally agree. It's a bunch of garbage, but I stand by my earlier assertion: It's not helping. This makes the community as a whole look by a bunch of clowns. I, for one, do not appreciate it
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ac·e·tate

noun
noun: acetate; plural noun: acetates
1.
CHEMISTRY
a salt or ester of acetic acid, containing the anion CH3COO− or the group —OCCH3.
"A more extensive study involving 86 CD patients examined the effect of 50,000 IU vitamin A acetate twice daily or placebo for an average of 14.1 months."
2.
cellulose acetate, especially as used to make textile fibers or plastic.
"acetate silk"
a transparency made of cellulose acetate film.
"A final suggestion for getting images onto clear plastic sheets for this and other projects is to use an acrylic medium and transfer the ink-jet printed image to the acetate."
a recording disk coated with cellulose acetate.
"At one time, ‘recording ‘was essentially defined as putting a group of performers into an enclosed space and rolling acetates, or tape, to capture the event.’"


It's this one, a transparent overlay that wraps around the cover to effectively change the art to make it look like Miles Morales is holding a very poorly folded US flag.


Thanks for the response SGT.

Yes, it is that definition. I agree.

I was just adding that being a vinyl collector, the term "acetate" is much different, but more importantly, for vinyl it is a 1st pressing....whereas in the comic world, it is a clear piece of plastic (with or without any silkscreen print on it) and now is considered a variant. BS.

If these books are just a clear plastic attached sheet....uhm....how does that make that book eve worth $100+?

It is unfortunate that companies do this to grab money from newbies and others who think the limited side of a published comic makes the book special.

SMH - that is just a idiotic manner to garner cash.

IMO - one can put an "acetate" on a rare literary book, and all it does it give it an added line of protection...not additional rarity or even value.

This does NOT qualify to be a blue label.

Best regards,
Tim
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@southerncross
I have to agree. This is such a stupid $h*t$h*w. CGC coming up with utterly lame, convoluted excuses for why they did what they did is NOT helping. Also not helping is rubbish like this


There is some crazy trolling happening on these right now.




and those are the worthless raw books - the CGC ones are where the real value lies!
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@Byrdibyrd personally I see it the opposite way. To me it looks like the community united to reject this book and the people peddling it. None of these books will end up selling at this rate, and by the time the hype dies down and the price plummets, the influences etc who bought tons of them will be left holding the bag for a book no one wants.
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@southerncross
I have to agree. This is such a stupid $h*t$h*w. CGC coming up with utterly lame, convoluted excuses for why they did what they did is NOT helping. Also not helping is rubbish like this:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/195268521004?_trkparms=amclksrc%3DITM%26aid%3D1110006%26algo%3DHOMESPLICE.SIM%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D240774%26meid%3Dcd82321f5e82423f979204672087a255%26pid%3D101112%26rk%3D3%26rkt%3D24%26sd%3D115488120889%26itm%3D195268521004%26pmt%3D1%26noa%3D0%26pg%3D2563228%26algv%3DSimplAMLv9PairwiseWebMskuAspectsV1&_trksid=p2563228.c101112.m1982&amdata=cksum%3A195268521004cd82321f5e82423f979204672087a255%7Cenc%3AAQAHAAABIB1%252BEDlO8Ujs16zToAiXABkdavKwlm0OjPGKJ8%252F6xnWOE2ha0IdGuyCJCdP45fifzfhgepp1RsZZMQ5bf8IiR%252FzcQAGZx7S5wyAlnxm6r03NY3tt0t9wWa%252FYn7gkS2WdAP9ulidCegFvvGfFUeLCRprsgexB9c%252FIzlYaH%252FudxEoJIsekd13g6Rd3s6xB%252B%252FtWbUVR1hrKu%252Fh%252BDpAKPhfTckbkpd03d%252F41gozKbOvwh6j5WWg2KaI6P0LbTd9J5q934airF8c9WPgnFWq9AvTLHMIi0g8DwsFqv7zG1TJ7JnUipHWTN2l0Sx%252FodRfH932%252FHs6zMnN7Awp9s59qVFcFGL9qHj31uUOSqU1xuec75dgob0zbASp9lH5Zv4suDC7ZNQ%253D%253D%7Campid%3APLX_CLK%7Cclp%3A2563228


LOL

WHHHHYYYY?

I'd rather buy this one....

https://www.ebay.com/itm/295140386211?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=5csy2_SzQda&sssrc=2349624&ssuid=9ixkRDn-RdO&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY
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Where's his Bat-package? Byrdibyrd private msg quote post Address this user
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@Byrdibyrd personally I see it the opposite way. To me it looks like the community united to reject this book and the people peddling it. None of these books will end up selling at this rate, and by the time the hype dies down and the price plummets, the influences etc who bought tons of them will be left holding the bag for a book no one wants.

I'm just looking at huge bids on stupid, fraudulent books, and that's what makes things look bad. If everyone is ticked off and we can all hang together and stick it to these supposed 'influencers' and their cronies, that would be crazy awesome.

@ZosoRocks
Dang, I want that second one, too!
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The problem is “influencers” seek only exposure. Good or bad.

Some of the biggest $s come through controversy.

Sad but true.

The best thing for the hobby is for people to act rationally and not sheeple. Unfortunately when social media is involved the herd of morons will always be large and willing.
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@Byrdibyrd at least those books won't sell lol. May not be much, but I suppose it's something.
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Where's his Bat-package? Byrdibyrd private msg quote post Address this user
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For that amount of crazy money they'd better not sell! If they do the knucklehead who buys it will deserve the white elephant they receive.
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just explaining this book to someone ( without including the drama around the way it was sold) is a chore

" its a facsimile print with a variant cover ( that in itself its nonsensical to me ) with another bootleg cover stapled on thats made by store owner to move stock ( not endorsed by Marvel) but has been graded as if it were and was able to sell at $85 + a its grading higher than the original book ever did. "

seriously... whoever is listening would glaze over in the first few seconds .
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There is an uneasy truce in the CGC vs CBCS debate. For once, members from both communities are united against an atrocity that all hope will not be repeated. That atrocity was giving a universal blue label to a number of comics without grading them accordingly to long established and accepted guidelines. While there are many factors at play in this current fiasco, this is something that unites our small community of graded comic book devotees.

Remember this time. One day, your grandkids may ask what you did during this era. 😁


Except I was asked are you not a loyal cbcs customer?

90% of my slabs are CGC so I have a lot of money tied up in them

Isn't it logical that I want cgc to pull up their socks and fly right!

And not lose integrity and in doing so cost me money!
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Isn't it logical that I want cgc to pull up their socks and fly right!

And not lose integrity and in doing so cost me money!


Absolutely!!! This reflects badly on the whole grading community.
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