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Weekly Cover Contest Discussion Thread Part Deux17997

If I could, I would. I swear. DrWatson private msg quote post Address this user
Like a lot of people, for a long time I thought that the road to hell is paved with bad sequels.
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It might be Master of Kung Fu #51. He'd been doing interior art in the book for ages, but the covers were always Gil Kane, Al Milgrom, Ron Wilson, etc., etc. Taking a look at the cover for #51 makes you wonder why they kept letting everyone else do the cover art for so long.

Can't be positive that's his first cover, but I think it is.

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@Pre_Coder
It might be Master of Kung Fu #51. He'd been doing interior art in the book for ages, but the covers were always Gil Kane, Al Milgrom, Ron Wilson, etc., etc. Taking a look at the cover for #51 makes you wonder why they kept letting everyone else do the cover art for so long.

Can't be positive that's his first cover, but I think it is.

@flanders seems to think it may be MOKF-51 as well.

I think I'll just go ahead and use that one unless somebody can substantiate elsewise.

Gulacy has been my favorite artist since his 70s MOKF years. And there is no doubt that Jim Steranko had a very powerful influence on his technique.
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It might be Master of Kung Fu #51. He'd been doing interior art in the book for ages, but the covers were always Gil Kane, Al Milgrom, Ron Wilson, etc., etc. Taking a look at the cover for #51 makes you wonder why they kept letting everyone else do the cover art for so long.

Can't be positive that's his first cover, but I think it is.

@flanders seems to think it may be MOKF-51 as well.

I think I'll just go ahead and use that one unless somebody can substantiate elsewise.

Gulacy has been my favorite artist since his 70s MOKF years. And there is no doubt that Jim Steranko had a very powerful influence on his technique.

His earlier work appears to only have been interiors. There's no reference to any cover art before MoKF #51. It's a shame that so many uninspired covers were on that book (Gil Kane was great, and Dave Cockrum did okay, but Al Milgrom & Ron Wilson? Not the best for martial arts-style action art by A Lot) before they finally let Gulacy take over.
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@Pre_Coder
It might be Master of Kung Fu #51. He'd been doing interior art in the book for ages, but the covers were always Gil Kane, Al Milgrom, Ron Wilson, etc., etc. Taking a look at the cover for #51 makes you wonder why they kept letting everyone else do the cover art for so long.

Can't be positive that's his first cover, but I think it is.

@flanders seems to think it may be MOKF-51 as well.

I think I'll just go ahead and use that one unless somebody can substantiate elsewise.

Gulacy has been my favorite artist since his 70s MOKF years. And there is no doubt that Jim Steranko had a very powerful influence on his technique.

His earlier work appears to only have been interiors. There's no reference to any cover art before MoKF #51. It's a shame that so many uninspired covers were on that book (Gil Kane was great, and Dave Cockrum did okay, but Al Milgrom & Ron Wilson? Not the best for martial arts-style action art by A Lot) before they finally let Gulacy take over.

No sh!t. I agree 100%
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@Pre_Coder
It might be Master of Kung Fu #51. He'd been doing interior art in the book for ages, but the covers were always Gil Kane, Al Milgrom, Ron Wilson, etc., etc. Taking a look at the cover for #51 makes you wonder why they kept letting everyone else do the cover art for so long.

Can't be positive that's his first cover, but I think it is.

@flanders seems to think it may be MOKF-51 as well.

I think I'll just go ahead and use that one unless somebody can substantiate elsewise.

Gulacy has been my favorite artist since his 70s MOKF years. And there is no doubt that Jim Steranko had a very powerful influence on his technique.

His earlier work appears to only have been interiors. There's no reference to any cover art before MoKF #51. It's a shame that so many uninspired covers were on that book (Gil Kane was great, and Dave Cockrum did okay, but Al Milgrom & Ron Wilson? Not the best for martial arts-style action art by A Lot) before they finally let Gulacy take over.

No sh!t. I agree 100%

TRUTH. Gulacy's covers on that book are gorgeous.
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@Byrdibyrd I got me one of those signed Spyman 1 also. Now you know it's just the hand, right? I don't think Mr. Steranko would want to take ownership of the rest of the cover.
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@Byrdibyrd I got me one of those signed Spyman 1 also. Now you know it's just the hand, right? I don't think Mr. Steranko would want to take ownership of the rest of the cover.

Oh dear! I spaced that completely. I think I need to remove my entry and see if I have a Strange Tales #153 lying around...
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The earliest Joe Kubert cover that I can find is Flash Comics #63. However, I can't find a source to verify that it is his first cover work. If anyone knows of an earlier cover, please let me know.
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I didn’t think this week’s contest would be that difficult, but I can’t believe how hard it is to get information about what is the first comic book cover by many of the comic book artists I grew up with. For example, the late, great Neal Adams - I know of at least two or three comics with earlier publication dates than Strange Adventures #207. But I can’t find anything to say what issue is considered his first cover. I have found the same lack of information for several other artists too. Why the hell is this information not included on slabs anyway? You would think it would be important to collectors.
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I didn’t think this week’s contest would be that difficult, but I can’t believe how hard it is to get information about what is the first comic book cover by many of the comic book artists I grew up with. For example, the late, great Neal Adams - I know of at least two or three comics with earlier publication dates than Strange Adventures #207. But I can’t find anything to say what issue is considered his first cover. I have found the same lack of information for several other artists too. Why the hell is this information not included on slabs anyway? You would think it would be important to collectors.


I totally agree!!! I've tried to figure out a "first cover" for a few artists now and it gets very frustrating!!
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It was a one trick pony show but always hilarious. GAC private msg quote post Address this user
@esaravo @Jesse_O Same!! Its actually quite strange that this information is not readily available and so hard to come by. This site is pretty good but definitely not complete.

https://www.keycollectorcomics.com/artist/
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A big part of the issue is that records just weren't kept in The Way Back When, so it's near impossible to figure out the G.A. & early S.A. artists' 1st covers. What surprises me is that it's not a bigger deal. Huge fuss nowadays over when a character first appears on a cover, but next-to-nothing when it comes to the first cover art by prominent artists? At least attention is being paid to first interior art, but come on!!
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It was a one trick pony show but always hilarious. GAC private msg quote post Address this user
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@esaravo @Jesse_O @GAC
A big part of the issue is that records just weren't kept in The Way Back When, so it's near impossible to figure out the G.A. & early S.A. artists' 1st covers. What surprises me is that it's not a bigger deal. Huge fuss nowadays over when a character first appears on a cover, but next-to-nothing when it comes to the first cover art by prominent artists? At least attention is being paid to first interior art, but come on!!


Definitely true and very good points!!

I would think though that at some point the artists would have been asked and the information documented somewhere. It seems like an important piece of information that many people would be interested in knowing for a variety of reasons...especially since comic books have become such hot properties.
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@GAC - I looked at that site for Neal Adams. It is missing three DC covers by Adams that I know of that have October or November 1967 cover dates that pre-date Strange Adventures #207 (which had a December 1967 cover date). It blows my mind that this information is not public knowledge for an artist of Neal Adams’ stature. And shame on CGC and CBCS for not providing this type of information on their slabs for artists and creators of the GA and SA.

PS - @EbayMafia - I see profit potential in these comics that no one realizes are the first published covers by legendary artists.
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It was a one trick pony show but always hilarious. GAC private msg quote post Address this user
@esaravo I have to agree with you that it's pretty crazy that this information is not nailed down somewhere in a database....at the very least for the giants of the industry but really it should be documented for all artists.
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I didn’t think this week’s contest would be that difficult, but I can’t believe how hard it is to get information about what is the first comic book cover by many of the comic book artists I grew up with. For example, the late, great Neal Adams - I know of at least two or three comics with earlier publication dates than Strange Adventures #207. But I can’t find anything to say what issue is considered his first cover. I have found the same lack of information for several other artists too. Why the hell is this information not included on slabs anyway? You would think it would be important to collectors.


There are some tough ones for modern artists, too. Jenny Frison's first for-hire work was a cover of Hack/Slash but it ended up being published after a Voltron cover she did later. I don't know which one she considers her first cover.
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TRA LA LA esaravo private msg quote post Address this user
Is this really Neal Adams first published comic book cover? What do you think?


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Masculinity takes a holiday. EbayMafia private msg quote post Address this user
That first Todd McFarlane cover is kind of the opposite of what his brand turned out to be.
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I'd like to say I still turned out alright, but that would be a lie. flanders private msg quote post Address this user
Whoever created this week's contest should be suspended. It's far too complicated.
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Whoever created this week's contest should be suspended. It's far too complicated.


That could be arranged. 🤣 😆 j/k
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I understand what you're saying, but I think this subject merits discussion and if this is how it's coming up, then so be it. I think it's ridiculous that comics fandom as a whole is not paying attention to 1st published cover art by prominent artists, to include some real titans and trailblazers in the industry. How is this not A Thing?!
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Whoever created this week's contest should be suspended. It's far too complicated.


Funny, I was thinking it's the best contest yet. I was prepared to crown you as a WCC genius.
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It was a one trick pony show but always hilarious. GAC private msg quote post Address this user
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Whoever created this week's contest should be suspended. It's far too complicated.


Nah man...great theme!! What we will learn from this will be important to us as hobbyists. It's also shed light on the strange complexities of discovering artists' first cover work.
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I learned I was wrong with my post. Now I’m not certain I have a candidate. The dipshit moron side of me never even read the label.
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@esaravo I struggled finding the right answer because I thought that, too, but a couple sites said that was his first full cover. He had done inks on some prior covers, but I could be wrong. Definitely a learning experience for me. And that being said, I still love the theme this week.
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If I could, I would. I swear. DrWatson private msg quote post Address this user
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Whoever created this week's contest should be suspended. It's far too complicated.

It's not that complicated. As long as your choice is within the spirit of the guidelines, just a pick a cover and go with it. It wouldn't be the first time that a cover didn't specifically fit the criteria.
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If the viagra is working you should be well over a 9.8. xkonk private msg quote post Address this user
All the early voting this week is going to make it hard to tell which cover is first.... which is kind of on-theme.
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All the early voting this week is going to make it hard to tell which cover is first.... which is kind of on-theme.
On Wed I'll take care of my bad. If nothing else, I can just vote everyone 3 to even it out.
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