Dark Knight Returns Cover ILLUSION?17805
 I AM... THE Bat-Manuel
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MurrayC private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Roughly 36 years ago, I bought DKR right off the rack, and like everyone else, I thought the cover to the first issue was AMAZING. And as I write this, the original art is going for over $1.5 million dollars at auction. However... it dawned on me that I might be interpreting the cover incorrectly? I've assumed for 36 years that the silhouette of Batman jumping is of him jumping AWAY from our viewpoint, but it dawned on me that he might be jumping TOWARDS us? I copy and pasted the image and attempted to create the proper viewpoint by tracing his outlines as you can see in the image below. What do you guys think? AWAY from us? Or, TOWARDS us? Or maybe Frank Miller deliberately made it ambiguous as to how it is to be viewed?  |
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 I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this.
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GAC private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Away from us....too contorted/awkward if toward us imo. | ||
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 Miss Chanandler Bong
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jake private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Towards. Thematically DK…Returns. I can see the perspective of away, but jump away from what? Nice idea. |
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 Where's his Bat-package?
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Byrdibyrd private msg quote post Address this user | |
| That's an interesting question. I never considered that the cover would be open to interpretation like this. Pretty cool, and I can see it being either way. | ||
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I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this.
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GAC private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Now I don't know which one to believe! could be either one..lol!! | ||
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KatKomics private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I always thought towards.... | ||
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I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this.
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GAC private msg quote post Address this user | |
| yeah...I'm changing my answer....toward us...it makes more sense. | ||
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MurrayC private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by dielinfinite Yeah.... it was THIS illusion that made me think about the DKR cover |
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 would be nice to have a snugger fit.
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Sigur_Ros private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I too bought a bunch of these off the shelf. The cover was striking. No pun, etc. But I've never seen it any way except facing toward us. Thinking of pre-ordering this, but at $675 I'm not sure yet, lol....  |
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I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this.
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GAC private msg quote post Address this user | |
Does this help? |
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 Collector
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SGT_Comics private msg quote post Address this user | |
I always thought it was basically parallel, like this figure: |
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MurrayC private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by GAC No! If anything, it's more confusing because I can see BOTH viewpoints - LOL |
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 If the viagra is working you should be well over a 9.8.
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Quote:Originally Posted by Sigur_Ros But would you have it facing that way or the other way?  |
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I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this.
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GAC private msg quote post Address this user | |
| lol!! I don't think we're any further on a consensus....we now have a parallel option. | ||
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would be nice to have a snugger fit.
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Sigur_Ros private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by GAC People almost always shoot with their dominant hand, correct? So assuming Batman is right-handed, does that change how you see it? I think being right-handed means he would be throwing the punch with his right hand. That's how I've always seen it anyway.  |
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 -Our Odin-Rest in Peace |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Sigur_Ros Not necessarily. I'm right hand dominant, but my left eye is my dominant eye. As a result, I've learned to shoot as a lefty. While I realize you say "almost always", I'd still have to say not necessarily. Unless there is some study out there. I'm not sure how'd you prove one way or the other. Regardless, Batman using his right hand to shoot doesn't prove anything in my mind. Now, if there are panels of him eating or writing right handed, then I'd agree that he is right hand dominant. |
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Where's his Bat-package?
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Byrdibyrd private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by Jesse_O I'm right-hand dominant but I shoot pistol left-handed and rifle right-handed. Go figure. Do my eating & writing with my right hand but use the computer mouse with my left. Gotta be a rebel, I guess. |
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would be nice to have a snugger fit.
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Sigur_Ros private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by Jesse_O Fine.   |
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 Not trying to be an ass since February 12, 2020.
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| I’ve seen it as more of a side view rather than toward or away. Like that gif indicates Quote: Originally Posted by MurrayC |
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would be nice to have a snugger fit.
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Sigur_Ros private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by xkonk The correct way  |
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 Collector
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Quote:Originally Posted by dielinfinite Awesome illusion. All the spin in the same direction but as soon as I just glance over at either sides all three changes directions. |
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 Masculinity takes a holiday.
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| Gotta admit, I never had a clue about the Dark Knight cover illusion. Now that I see it, I have to assume it was intentional. Pretty sure I always saw Batman coming forward. I just showed to my daughter, her immediate view was Batman looking away. | ||
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 Collector
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| I believe we are discussing Schrodinger's Bat in which the figure is both jumping towards the viewer and away from the viewer. | ||
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 Collector
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| It clearly cannot be Batman cause his wang isnt out | ||
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Masculinity takes a holiday.
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EbayMafia private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by Darkseid_of_town You can't prove it! Could be a cold night for the Dark Knight. |
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 Collector
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| My brain saw it away. I remember seeing it for sale new back then in a comic book store I was in, I didn’t collect back then. Now I am gonna pick one up! |
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If the viagra is working you should be well over a 9.8.
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xkonk private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by Darkseid_of_town just more evidence that he's facing away from us! |
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 Collector
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Quote:Originally Posted by xkonk In that body position, you'd still see something. Unless Bruce hits the steroids. |
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| So I know I'm probably the only one, but I HATE Frank Miller's art. I think it's sloppy, childish, lazy art and disrespectful to the medium. I also cannot STAND looking at this cover because my OCD takes over and can't get over the "split cape" , which NEVER has been a thing - ever. WHY did he split that cape? You look in the book and there's nothing about it being ripped up the middle ... just ... drives me crazy. But forget the cape, his art just sucks (to me) and I can name a dozen artists I'd take that SAME story and have them re-do and it would just make it all better. I'm not trolling, I know will probably get a lot of "you are an idiot" but I can't help it, I just cannot stand Frank Miller's style. That being said I can't draw a straight line without a ruler, but I know what I like.  |
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