Single graded pages... how do you feel about it? Post your pages here!17653
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BuffJake09 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Hi all, After adding a few single graded pages to my collection from either super high dollor issues or keys, I'm curious how others feel about them? On one hand I haven't taken any books apart for pages but I have to imagine that is what must have happened at some point for them to come into my hands (save for Avengers #1 possibly) on the other it has allowed me an opportunity at leaves of history and issues I would otherwise not have an opportunity to have in my collection. So, how do others feel and do you own any single pages from key issues or others? Also, if you do own any, feel free to share them here! This was once a delete thread for another topic, however I wanted to turn it into something productive  |
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 I had no way of knowing that 9.8 graded copies signed by Adam Hughes weren't what you were looking for.
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Quote:Originally Posted by drchaos Haha, rather than taking up space with a delete thread, I decided to edit it into something more productive and ask a question I was curious about! |
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| No single pages should ever be graded, IMO. | ||
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Davethebrave private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Single pages from rare books are far more collectible (long-term) than books still available in the tens of thousands. Rare meaning <500 copies and historically important. In virtually every case, for those rare books the sum is worth more than the parts so there’s no incentive to destroy books for individual pages. On the flip side, it helps preserve what might otherwise be lost to history. Precedent abounds in other collectible markets far, far more mature than comics. As for grading, it makes perfect sense to verify authenticity through grading and slabbing. I would not trust grading or verification of pages to upstarts, however. |
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| I'm into the idea. If it's the only way I can own a piece of an historic book or a massively overpriced key, then why not? I feel some books are too far gone to be of any real value, aesthetic or otherwise. Why not give them a life and niche of their own? Also - and just my opinion - when new grading companies are referred to as "upstarts", I would remind collectors all grading companies have begun as upstarts. I have noticed a real prejudicial attitude among both CGC and CBCS forum members in that any other grading company automatically sucks. Both CGC and CBCS - so as to be completely neutral - are getting slammed with submissions. TAT is unreasonably high. Damage and loss occurs, if not outright theft. I personally hope other companies are formed and wish them well. They WILL be "upstarts" or more accurately, they will be "fledgling" as "upstart" has an arrogant, nasty "I hope you fail and will see to it you do" connotation attached to it. Neither CBCS or CGC are doing anything that requires NASA training. Just a love for the hobby, a gentle touch and a sharp, balanced point of view. Good luck to them. Right now, the hobby is in desperate need of a fledgling grading company to help out. From what I have seen and read, one of the reasons there aren't more of them is because fanboys rip new ones to shreds before they are even formed. I hope verified pages and covers become a welcome part of the collecting hobby. |
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 It was a one trick pony show but always hilarious.
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| If there is a demand for pages to be graded then there should be a service to meet this demand. Personally, I have no interest in graded pages unless we are talking about the cream of the crop. The most rare, most iconic books. Otherwise I'll try to buy the book. But I do understand the appeal to collect pages. |
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| I personally have zero interest in owning a single page of any comic whatsoever, just complete comics here please. But for the people that do want them, hey, whatever floats your boat, enjoy! Everyone enjoys different things, some people collect bottlecaps. They might think I'm odd for collecting comics. I fully support everyone's desire to collect anything even if it isn't for me. |
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 Staple topics, nice.
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| @BuffJake09 Thanks for the post! - I think it's a fine idea. I rescue even the worst produced books, whether it's a start-up company, rag tag issue full of defects, or actors that have put out a comic but did not do very well (Tyrese Gibson's - Mayhem, Leonard Nimoy's - Primotals). I had the chance to grab some Marvel books at our local swap meet, they were severely damaged, so much, I mean really really terrible, that my 16yo son said no, do not buy those. After reading this post, it may have been worth it to buy those books and at least go through them, and maybe preserve a few pages, for history, even though the books were completely trashed. | ||
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 I'm good with splotches.
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Nuffsaid111 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| For me as a collector - zero interest. Zero value to me except as a novelty. For me as a flipper/investor - as long as there are folks that think it has value, then it has value to me. |
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 would be nice to have a snugger fit.
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Sigur_Ros private msg quote post Address this user | |
| As for me, I'm only interested in certain covers. The actual covers, not just some printed pages if that's what you mean. And I could see getting them authenticated, but grade is irrelevant. There's really only one of each, who cares what the grade is. Here are a couple I own...   And by "own", I mean the photos I took, not the actual art.  I wish. They were part of a Marvel exhibit at the Henry Ford Museum, Dearborn. |
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ticktocktyler private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by Silversorrow As a petsitter/dog walker, we also do overnight stays sometimes for weeks at people's houses. This one couple collected pornography magazines from the 1970's and 1980's. They were serious about it. There were boxes upon boxes of those magazines all over the house. I mean 2nd and third bedrooms full. A little unseemly, but I got it. They were collectors. Nothing else out there about the house. They had their pristine magazines and 1st printing proudly displayed in cabinets and the rest of the runs were in those boxes, I imagine. |
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 I don't want to brag, but cashiers are always checking me out.
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power_struggle55 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| i mever got the appeal of getting a cover, or a page graded. Id rather have a 0.5 with all pages then a near mint cover | ||
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I'm good with splotches.
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Nuffsaid111 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I found a 1/4" piece of napkin Abe Lincoln blew his nose on. Must be highly desirable if chips of Action 1 are desirable.. right? Oh oh oh... my bad. The napkin can't be graded by the almighty grading companies so it's kinda worthless |
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 Masculinity takes a holiday.
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Quote:Originally Posted by Nuffsaid111 If it was worthless you wouldn’t still have it, lol. It would have been flushed by now. |
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would be nice to have a snugger fit.
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Sigur_Ros private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by Nuffsaid111 Not yet. CGC is getting there. Probably after cereal box grading, but before dirt. |
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 Thank you sir. May I have another?
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Quote:Originally Posted by power_struggle55 I have a coverless Avengers #1 signed by Stan Lee (witnessed). If I saw a graded and authenticated cover reasonably priced, I'd get in line with many other people with coverless Avengers #1s for a shot at getting it. Apply that to an AF15 and there would likely be a crazy bidding war. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Siggy I still think that it’s a great issue to have in that state, especially signed by Stan. One of the reasons I purchased my page is because it is THE iconic splash page… it’s so dramatic and has always been one of the main draws for me in terms of that issue! So although covers are equally great, a coverless copy of Avengers #1 is just as fantastic!  |
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| Granted, the market for slabbed pages would be a tiny fraction (maybe 1/1,000th) of the market for complete comic books, but if something is a piece of history and displays well...I would find it collectible. | ||
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 Why just the women? I like bears.
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| I don't own any single pages, but am the proud owner of a gas cap off a Ferrari. <--- no interest in pages |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Gaard Can the gas cap be graded? There's value in anything CGC grades. We've made it that way. Plastic cases mean everything |
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Why just the women? I like bears.
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Gaard private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Right? Hypothetical... Let's say single pages had as much value as Abe's napkin. It didn't add any value to your collection. How many people who now say they love them, would suddenly not want them? If some peeps still wanted them for the 'coolness' of them, I actually applaud them. It's not my cup of tea, but I can't tell people what they should like. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Gaard Exactly. Funny thing - I was looking at some Adam Hughes original art the other day. His simple blank sketch cover convention sketches that he does for $60 (spends 10 minutes on) is encased in plastic, has a yellow label and has that magic number of 9.8 on it, then it can be the sh&ttiest sketch one can imagine and it can go for ungodly amount of money. An Adam Hughes convention sketch that he spent over an hour on but placed within a personal sketchbook - nearly same price as that 9.8 blank sketch cover. Because it's not in that plastic with a number on it. Sigh It's allllllllllllllllllll about the 9.8 and alllllllllllllll about the case. Not about the artwork. Kinda pathetic, but hey... whatever floats the uninformed boat. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Gaard But would you tell them if you could? LOL! For example, YOU don't determine the value of MY collection. I DO. And vice versa, right? So, what exactly is "value"? Money? Coolness factor? Both? I took shit from some bozo on the CGC forum for buying one of those free flyers we used to get from our LCS. Paid like $20 for the 1st printed appearance of Red Hulk. Why did I do that? Well? Because the coolness factor is worth something and the seller refused to give it away. I even messaged him and wrote "Yeah but there's some bozo on the CGC forum who is calling me a moron for attempting to buy something that is 'garbage' and was initially given away for free." Seller didn't care. Not one tittle. He pointed out there were plenty of Superman giveaways like Superman-Tim in the 1940's and 1950's and no one is giving them away either. So, I bought the 1st printed appearance of Red Hulk. Someday, some effing genius will say "YAH! Dis is dah firss appearance of Red Hulk!" and collectors will go bonkers. 20 years ahead of you, dude. In fact, if a Hulk movie is made in the near future and it has Red Hulk in it and it's a smash hit, both the book and eventually that flyer will go through the roof. The flyer not as much or quickly. But it will. MY mistake was previously I had spoken out of my neck for others collecting stuff that I deemed "worthless". When I bought the Red Hulk flyer, I realized I was wrong and that and I shouldn't have said that. I buy stuff that gives me that shot of dopamine. Stuff I love for its uniqueness of niche factor. And what I call the "Look what EYE have!" factor. Bragging rights. Some of that are major pieces. Some are minor. Nothing feels better than sharing a cool piece of paper with a fellow collector. I digress. My point is collect what makes you happy. BuffJake09 is making that point. Why should I give a rusty crap what other collectors think I should want or don't want in their collections? I would have a lot of nerve to dictate what they like or don't like back to them. It ISN'T JUST ABOUT THE MONEY VALUE. One dude I know has a massive PEZ collection. At 1st, I was like "PEZ?" until I really LOOKED at his collection then I began wanting PEZ dispensers. He even had the first few PEZ releases complete with the whatever-goes-in-a-PEZ-dispenser. He loves the things. How many PEZ dispensers have we flung into the trash? I have ancient Roman and Greek coins laying around here. They are virtually worthless. Maybe $10 per? IMO, coins that are over 2,000 years old ought to be priceless but they aren't and thank God for that. My son was in a coin shop, thought of me and bought them for me because he knows his Pop-Pop is that loud guy that will collect about anything except taxes. So, now the coins ARE priceless. As time marches on, our paper collectibles are are going to be further compromised. It's likely pages are going to become a part of this hobby. I will collect them because CGC and CBCS with all their insinuated propaganda has made it virtually impossible for collectors with limited budgets to own any higher grade keys or notable issues. And I suppose once other collectors eventually realize that pages are a thing and CGC and CBCS horns into the things, they will drive pages with notable battle scenes or deaths of characters right through the roof as well. I mean, I still remember when there was a pretty well defined line between camps of "I WANT my books slabbed and graded" v "This is nuts! I'm not letting a grading company determine the value of my books!" |
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| I think I'd rather own a steaming pile of ungraded horsesh&t, than this. At least a common housefly would find value with the steaming pile. Nahhh, we haven't transferred too much power and control to the grading companies. Nope - not at all.  |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Nuffsaid111 "You know! For kids!"  |
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Why just the women? I like bears.
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Gaard private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by ticktocktyler In my previous post, both times I said 'value', I was speaking monetarily. How different would our hobby be if we lived in a time where there was no money? |
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Davethebrave private msg quote post Address this user | |
| If there was no value attached (barter, fiat, dogecoin) then things would disappear. Unvalued generally becomes discarded. Pure sentimental is the exception. Personal, unique value. Even sentimental holds only so long as those with the sentiment. Heirlooms become a matter of priority - you cannot keep everything, so even then some value attaches. So there is tremendous benefit for maintaining direct cultural/historic links in value and thus preservation attaching. As for 9.8s etc, let those people play that game. Several bubbles are in the middle of popping as we type. Some already have. It can’t “ruin” the hobby unless it is sustained indefinitely and if sustained indefinitely, then perhaps there is some merit. I personally doubt it, so I don’t play that game. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Gaard Understood. We all collect some things that have no money value at all. We are magpies to a degree. It's nice to have SOME coin attached to comics but it seems more and more, collectors are actually investors and use comics as the NYSE. I guess I always preferred the aesthetic and the unique factors. The value comes with being able to "show off" something that I think is pretty damned cool. Plus, being able to look back to times when things were a lot more fun around here. Before things got so....fuzzy. |
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| I have no problem with single pages as survivors of rare comics. I would gladly buy a single page of history. I do have a problem with the people mutilating books and slabbing those “single” pages rather than preserving them as a “whole”. I think I’ve said this before. |
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