Added a (small) grail! Avengers #1…17627
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| Hi all, A quick post to share my newest addition to my collection and one that I’m extremely excited about! Although it isn’t much, it’s a major milestone for me. It is page #1 from Avengers #1! The Avengers have always been a big part of my childhood along with Iron Man and Captain America, mostly because of the movies but as I’ve gotten older, the history lover in me has become more interested and familiar with the comic origins of my favorite Marvel heroes. I know there are differing opinions in regards to single pages but after buying two pages from Cap #5 and finding an alternate way to obtain historical comics that were otherwise unobtainable for me, I began to view single pages differently myself. Thus Avengers #1 came to mind as one of my all-time favorite issues and a top silver-age issue if not my favorite and I set out in search of history! So, I’m excited to share here that I’ve added the marquee page from that landmark #1 issue in 1963! With complete issues even in the lowest grade, well out of reach for me, this page allows me a unique opportunity. Even cooler is the documentation which the page carries from its original owner stating in writing that it was most likely purchased in Chicago, Illinois on July 3, 1963 upon release! To me that elevates the history of this particular piece to another level of cool! Without further delay I give you The Coming of The Avengers!   |
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| Congratulations! I am happy for you! I really think pages are going to be the wave of the future. There is a seller on EBay who is selling graded pages. I think I want a few of them! Frame that puppy in anti UV glass and hang it! |
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| They are being graded and sealed up by these guys. I know nothing about them, but this is their gig. https://www.cpacomic.com/ |
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Quote:Originally Posted by ticktocktyler Thank you for the kind words! I agree as well. Originally when I saw graded pages as a thing, I wasn’t sure how I felt but as many of these issues, especially key ones continue to climb in price, adding a page or two is a much more financially viable option. Having just graduated college, my budget has shrunk greatly and knowing that prices will keep going up for much of what I’m looking, it makes sense for me. Right now I could buy a coverless copy for around $900 or a 0.5 copy of Avengers #1 for $1500 but I still can’t afford it, nor do I have any desire to spend that much. However adding page #1 is within my budget and still offers the same enjoyment and history! If only pages from Cap #1, ToS #39 or AF #15 were able to be found for a good deal! |
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Quote:Originally Posted by ticktocktyler I’ve seen that before as well, thank you though! I think I’m going to send this one in to CBCS along with a few other books! I think it would display quite nicely! |
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@BuffJake09 congrats  Avengers 1 was my grail too |
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Quote:Originally Posted by ticktocktyler The only one using this service is the guy that owns it. He purposely destroys books to encapsulate their individual pages. We've talked about it in the past here: https://forum.cbcscomics.com/topic/14482/page/1/cpa-comic-page-authentication/ |
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Quote:Originally Posted by flanders I’d never send a book to another company to have it pieced out or take them apart myself. The single pages I do have were in that state when I purchased them, I’m just hoping to enjoy and preserve what is left! |
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| Yeah. I can't see ever using that service personally. But I guess to each their own.... | ||
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| I don't want to hijack this guys thread. I'm glad he got a page of a book he really wants. If I were smart a few years ago, I would have bought the Bat 1 pages that were flying around. They were not at all expensive. They are now. And you have to figure a Bat 1 was in bad enough shape where the parts were worth more than the sum. Or perhaps someone had a few wraps and that's it. I don't have ANY of that book but kick myself now for not grabbing a page or two. I think BuffJake09 is correct: Sellers are pricing average collectors right out of the possibility of owning key books in ANY grade. Mostly due to greed and sometimes rarity, mid to high grade keys are only going to be passed around to people with giant funds, dealers or among themselves in trades. You know, SOME of us still want the books for pride of ownership. Not using them like currency with the view to sell. So, I have to imagine pages are going to become a thing as new collectors enter the hobby. Sheer economics dictates it. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by ticktocktyler I can't disagree. An artifact is an artifact. If covers are cool, then pages are cool as well. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by ticktocktyler Any new collector will realize that some books are just expensive, regardless of when they entered the hobby. I remember months after TDKR #1 came out that books was over $100, which is about 30x cover price. Hot books are always going to be expensive, but people weren't running out to buy coverless books because hot books were priced too high. Coverless books just didn't have any value to them. I think it's just greed and FOMO that's driving sales and the destruction of these books. Greed from the people getting these slabbed, and FOMO from those that are panicking because they feel they're going to get left out. I think that once people saw how much money others were getting for pages from Action #1/Batman #1, that drove people to go after key coverless copies which then resulted in pages getting graded. When you have pages from Marvel Universe getting graded, there is no way it's because that book has gotten so expensive that it's cheaper to just get slabs of its pages than the whole book itself.  |
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Quote:Originally Posted by 50AE_DE In my case here with this page and the two from Cap #5, I don’t see a moment where I will be able to afford either book. For me it isn’t greed, just knowing what I can and can’t afford to pay. There were times when Avengers #1 was a much cheaper book but again, at that time in my life it was still something I was unable to afford. The early Captain America run came with the same problems. If I come across a page from a favorite key comic such as these, I’m able to add a slice of history to my collection where I otherwise would not be able to and preserve the last bit of something. In the case of my page, it is clearly documented as to when and where it was acquired back in 1963 and the pages are hand numbered… for all we know the original owner could have taken it apart or placed it in a bound volume after buying it? Who really knows? However, I still think the Avengers #1 page has value even if it is only historical value and I’m okay with that. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by EbayMafia There are so many cool splash and story pages! I look at this as a piece of art and an inner look at the story that started it all for The Avengers! |
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| I'm intrigued and inspired by your page purchase. I think there will be an issue for quite some time with establishing Fair Market Value for single pages. It's far different than valuing an entire graded book. That could present both opportunity and risk of getting too far ahead of a market that will never catch up. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by EbayMafia I definitley understand what you mean. I didn't have much to compare it to except for single graded pages from Captain America #1, Batman #1 and Action Comics #1... basically the landmark comics. They were all far more, often selling for a few thousand dollars except for Cap #1 which tends to sell around $1,000 per page. I also kept in mind that Avengers #1 was created and published over two decades after those other comics. The last thing I factored in was the page that I bought. I did place more of a premium on the page being #1 and what was essentially the very begining of the Avengers, which carried meaning and historical value for me personally. None of my single page purchases have really taken potential value into mind except for determining what might be a fair price, because you are right, it is seemingly uncharted waters. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by BuffJake09 You are correct here. Rest assured there is someone in a dimly lit room with only the glow of their laptop screen for light muttering "IN'tresting! IIInn'tresting!" Cue Movie Voice Man: "IN a WORLD where a Transformer #1 in 9.8 sells for $40,000...." |
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Quote:Originally Posted by BuffJake09 You are correct here. Rest assured there is someone in a room by themselves with only the glow of their laptop screen for light muttering "IN'tresting! IIInn'tresting!" Cue Movie Voice Man: "IN a WORLD where a Transformers #1 in 9.8 sells for $40,000...." |
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Quote:Originally Posted by BuffJake09 There isn't anything wrong with buying pages of books, especially those from very rare or expensive books. The greed isn't with people buying the books, but rather those slabbing and selling those books. I understand there is a market for these types of slabs and sellers are only offering what their buyers want. I often wonder if the next big thing is people buying up lower grade restored mega keys and then parting out the pages. It seems that it may sell for more than the complete book. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by 50AE_DE I hope that isn’t the case. I’m actually a fan of restored or conserved books if it helps preserve them. Those books are perfectly fine. I do think some sellers have already adopted the mentality of parts being more valuable when stripped from a complete or coverless book. I had inquired about a coverless copy of Avengers #1 that was also missing numerous story panels for $800 a while back and the seller wouldn’t budge much on price, telling me that someone could sell the pages individually and make a profit of $1400-$1700. As someone who wanted to buy the copy because of its significance I was appalled. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by BuffJake09 As long as you enjoy it, that’s all that matters. It doesn’t matter what anyone thinks. |
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I'm really looking at this one since you posted your Avengers splash. I have a 9.6 of this issue and a signed facsimile but can anyone have too much Batman 232? Especially Batman finally calling out Ubu? Classic O'Neil/Adams.  |
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