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You guys should ask Steve what he thinks of the Green Label, since he's the one who invented it 🤔🤑 Is he proud of it? Does he regret it? Is it a useful tool?

You aren't being a useful tool, Stuart. Just a tool.
Just call me Maynard 🔧

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You guys should ask Steve what he thinks of the Green Label, since he's the one who invented it 🤔🤑 Is he proud of it? Does he regret it? Is it a useful tool?

You aren't being a useful tool, Stuart. Just a tool.
Just call me Maynard 🔧

Sure thing, Mr. Krebs.
You're old 😁 Bob Denver can't sing like James Keenan 🎙
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I saw this on another forum and I was wondering what people here would say.

When a piece of a page is missing, whether it's an accidentally ripped corner, or a stamp/coupon, or this... how specific should a label be?
And should it depend on the importance of the piece that is missing?









"Large piece cut out of page 16, affects story, incomplete"

Ignore the fact that they got the page number incorrect (shocker), but, in a case like this should this have stated what exactly was missing ?



Story, for those wondering:
The guy bought it in a collection, broke it out because he felt people would want to see what was missing, and he found this.


And yes, as I said there, it seems someone wanted to end the first appearance debate


Whomever cracked that slab isn't very bright.

And it's a double whammy for that guy that CGC had the wrong page notes on the label.

If I was that guy, I'd do one of 2 things.

1st:

Contact XGC and tell them to pay me full FMV for the book in green 7.0.

This makes no sense at all.
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I saw this on another forum and I was wondering what people here would say.

When a piece of a page is missing, whether it's an accidentally ripped corner, or a stamp/coupon, or this... how specific should a label be?
And should it depend on the importance of the piece that is missing?









"Large piece cut out of page 16, affects story, incomplete"

Ignore the fact that they got the page number incorrect (shocker), but, in a case like this should this have stated what exactly was missing ?



Story, for those wondering:
The guy bought it in a collection, broke it out because he felt people would want to see what was missing, and he found this.


And yes, as I said there, it seems someone wanted to end the first appearance debate


Whomever cracked that slab isn't very bright.

And it's a double whammy for that guy that CGC had the wrong page notes on the label.

If I was that guy, I'd do one of 2 things.

1st:

Contact XGC and tell them to pay me full FMV for the book in green 7.0.

2)
If CGC says kick rocks, I'd put the raw book paires with the cracked open slab up on eBay in auction, with a pic of the cutout, put the raw book back in the slab, note it has (obviously) been cracked open.

Would be fun to see what it sold for in auction format.

Maybe a CGC employee would bid on it justvro take it off the market.

I wouldn't have suggested or done this 2 years ago but seeing as CGC is damaging a lot of books lately, let them pay out on one of their errors.

FWIW, a seller listed at LEAST a dozen "DEFECTIVE SLAB" auctions on eBay today....cracked cases , chipped cases and more than a couple books with torn staples....encapsulation or SCS.

I have about 200 books that I have pressed and ready to sub to CGC, and I am literally afraid to ship them out.

Would you feel this way if it were in a CBCS 1.0 Blue label that said "large piece cut out on pg 16", and did not specify it was Wolverine? It appears that's what they'd do.
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The other problem I have with it is that the dishonest sellers, which we know that there are many, sell qualifieds to newbies at a very high price as they are still learning and get taken advantage of.

Easily the best point to be made on the issue.
That's the Newb's fault for not educating themselves and not doing their due diligence.

We all have to start somewhere and we can't all start out educated from the get-go. Are there jerkweeds out there who target newbie collectors because they think they can pull a fast one? YES. Is that okay just because they're newbies and they deserve it because they don't have the years of experience that more seasoned collectors have? NO.
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And it's a double whammy for that guy that CGC had the wrong page notes on the label.



Again, the page is not incorrect on the label.

CGC, CBCS, and the entire comics industry refer to it as "Page 16".
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@Byrdibyrd YEP! 100%
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Incomplete is incomplete.

However; Incomplete is not always bad. I’ll use Action Comics #1 as an example. If I had the desire (and ridiculous funds) to own that book I would buy an incomplete copy simply based on rarity and the low survival rate of that book. I would not buy an incomplete copy of a common book especially this one where someone used it for scrapbooking or something.
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I understand how making a specific label that points out Wolverine is cut out is essentially pulling the book out of line, or worse, stopping the line altogether.

So, I started wondering why the info can't be added to the field that supplies ASP/VSP/SS info, or, as in this, case the hidden defect, location, if it affects the story, etc., and I figured all that info is probably put together by click and scroll rather than by adding text.

With that in mind, it would truly require a custom label in order to get specific enough to say the book had a Loganectomy.

If it isn't done this way, nm
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Like an angry version of Adele


That's very very very angry.

I just saw Tori Amos live last night. Tori is not as angry as she used to be but I had to chuckle at this line. Interestingly, Tori was dressed in mostly green. I guess she's qualified?


@Nuffsaid111 for angry version of Adele I was kind of thinking of Alanis Morrissette.
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The other problem I have with it is that the dishonest sellers, which we know that there are many, sell qualifieds to newbies at a very high price as they are still learning and get taken advantage of.

Easily the best point to be made on the issue.


I dunno @Byrdibyrd, I'm not sure that other peoples lack of experience or expertise is a great reason to restrict my options. Whether it be comic books, cars, guns, investments, travel arrangements, etc. We live in an age where information is pretty easily accessible for those who wish to find it. If some newbie doesn't utilize the internet, so be it. And if he convinces himself that he's killing it and outsmarting the pros by buying lower-priced green label books...so be it, not my concern. But my independent-mindedness is consistent so I also respect Steve's right to do what he thinks is best with his company. But if I've got a valuable nice looking book with a fatal flaw...I'm going to use the service that grades the rest of the book, not just the flaw.
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But if I've got a valuable nice looking book with a fatal flaw...I'm going to use the service that grades the rest of the book, not just the flaw.

I am forced to confess that's my plan, too. When I finally get around to getting my DD #131 with the MVS missing graded, I know where it's going.
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On the topic of adding more information, has there ever been a push for CGC to add the real grade to green label books? Like "green label - 7.0, blue label - 1.5"?
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I feel no sympathy for anyone buying IH180 and not doing their diligence. It is a hype/spec book at today’s prices.

Just like when people get burned losing all their money in speculative crypto bets, or buying multiple homes with excessive leverage.

Trend towards blaming everyone but themselves. The green label was the warning, the 16th wrap / page was the alarm. Takes a bit of legwork to see what “could” be at risk.

Caveat emptor.
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The other problem I have with it is that the dishonest sellers, which we know that there are many, sell qualifieds to newbies at a very high price as they are still learning and get taken advantage of.

Easily the best point to be made on the issue.
That's the Newb's fault for not educating themselves and not doing their due diligence.


That is the viewpoint of the folks being discussed. Remind me to buy nothing from you, even though I have done my due diligence.
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And it's a double whammy for that guy that CGC had the wrong page notes on the label.



Again, the page is not incorrect on the label.

CGC, CBCS, and the entire comics industry refer to it as "Page 16".

You should probably correct that. Publishers (the actual creators and biggest portion of the comics industry) , do not.
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Trend towards blaming everyone but themselves. The green label was the warning, the 16th wrap / page was the alarm. Takes a bit of legwork to see what “could” be at risk.



He wasn't blaming anyone. He bought it as part of a large collection. When he saw the notes he did the leg work and pulled up page 16 online and thought a buyer deserved to see what they are buying so he cracked it. Said he was glad he did because he'd have felt bad selling that to a buyer not knowing what was missing.
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The trend is true. I didn’t say anything about the person who owns this particular book.

Good for them cracking it for this altruistic purpose.

Personally, I always appreciate transparency and seek to provide it in all my dealings. But when people take risks they need to take the bad with the good.

One solution is for the original (slab) buyer to request documentation of the book’s missing piece. If a car was in an accident photos of the damage pre-repair is the first thing a prudent buyer should request. Same here given $ involved.

It is a balancing act on the label disclosures. One reason I’d never purchase an extensively restored book (with pieces added) based on label alone is I can’t really know how much is “real” vs reproduction. Some others apparently don’t care but may care about something I am far less concerned with (e.g., trimming). Customizing disclosures and grading for every preference would become an impossible task.

So Green Label or CBCS blue, it is on the buyer to understand the “range” of what they are getting.

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Trend towards blaming everyone but themselves. The green label was the warning, the 16th wrap / page was the alarm. Takes a bit of legwork to see what “could” be at risk.



He wasn't blaming anyone. He bought it as part of a large collection. When he saw the notes he did the leg work and pulled up page 16 online and thought a buyer deserved to see what they are buying so he cracked it. Said he was glad he did because he'd have felt bad selling that to a buyer not knowing what was missing.
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I blame the forum gremlins. figment private msg quote post Address this user
Story page is not the same as physical page is not the same as leaf. Hopefully everyone in this thread now understands the difference, and understands that graders notes and labels reference the physical pages.
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Story page is not the same as physical page is not the same as leaf. Hopefully everyone in this thread now understands the difference, and understands that graders notes and labels reference the physical pages.

We get it.
I asked if a signature is on page 16, is it on 31 or 32?
Still no answer.
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I asked if a signature is on page 16, is it on 31 or 32?
Still no answer.



If a signature is on page 16, then it is on page 16.
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I asked if a signature is on page 16, is it on 31 or 32?
Still no answer.



If a signature is on page 16, then it is on page 16.

See, I used to know that.
But what I learned is sometimes page 16 is page 16, and sometimes page 16 isn't page 16.
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I asked if a signature is on page 16, is it on 31 or 32?
Still no answer.



If a signature is on page 16, then it is on page 16.

See, I used to know that.
But what I learned is sometimes page 16 is page 16, and sometimes page 16 isn't page 16.


Schrodinger's Page.
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On the topic of adding more information, has there ever been a push for CGC to add the real grade to green label books? Like "green label - 7.0, blue label - 1.5"?


Seems like this could be done in small font in the same way they provide grades for each cover on double/+ cover books... it'll never happen but I like it. That being said, I really only like green labels for things like Lakeside Tattooz or cards being removed, because it highlights that while the "comic" is of a certain condition, it is not considered complete without an element that might otherwise be missed.
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I asked if a signature is on page 16, is it on 31 or 32?
Still no answer.



If a signature is on page 16, then it is on page 16.

See, I used to know that.
But what I learned is sometimes page 16 is page 16, and sometimes page 16 isn't page 16.


Upon reflection, it only makes sense for them to mean the 16th physical page, because otherwise it would have to say a piece had been cut from pages 31/32.
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I asked if a signature is on page 16, is it on 31 or 32?
Still no answer.



If a signature is on page 16, then it is on page 16.

See, I used to know that.
But what I learned is sometimes page 16 is page 16, and sometimes page 16 isn't page 16.


Upon reflection, it only makes sense for them to mean the 16th physical page, because otherwise it would have to say a piece had been cut from pages 31/32.
And regular comics from that era had less than 30 story pages 👍
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The confusion comes down to the definition of the word "page". It seems to the industry it means one thing and to the layman it means another thing.

They just need to get on the same....page.
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I asked if a signature is on page 16, is it on 31 or 32?
Still no answer.



If a signature is on page 16, then it is on page 16.

See, I used to know that.
But what I learned is sometimes page 16 is page 16, and sometimes page 16 isn't page 16.


Upon reflection, it only makes sense for them to mean the 16th physical page, because otherwise it would have to say a piece had been cut from pages 31/32.

Are you saying that's too many characters for them to type or too difficult for them to understand?
A piece was in fact cut from pages 31/32.

It seems like that would inform anyone, including newbies, as to what's going on inside the book.

Anyway, all this was unimportant, as I tried to say in the original post, but you would think grading companies would be on the same page as the publishers with this. There are reasons there is a little number printed at the bottom of each page. Everyone knows Wolverine shows up on pg 32. No one believes he shows up on pg 16. Take a poll.

Wrap #8
Leaf #16
Page #31/32

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I asked if a signature is on page 16, is it on 31 or 32?
Still no answer.



If a signature is on page 16, then it is on page 16.

See, I used to know that.
But what I learned is sometimes page 16 is page 16, and sometimes page 16 isn't page 16.


Upon reflection, it only makes sense for them to mean the 16th physical page, because otherwise it would have to say a piece had been cut from pages 31/32.

Are you saying that's too many characters for them to type or too difficult for them to understand?
A piece was in fact cut from pages 31/32.

It seems like that would inform anyone, including newbies, as to what's going on inside the book.

Anyway, all this was unimportant, as I tried to say in the original post, but you would think grading companies would be on the same page as the publishers with this. There are reasons there is a little number printed at the bottom of each page.

Only the story pages are numbered. The ad pages are not numbered. Below is JLA 6, with page 22, 2 ads, then page 23.




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Only the story pages are numbered.

Exactly
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