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 The Fifth Golden Girl
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sborock private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by Siggy CBCS does not use a Qualified label. The book would probably grade a 1.0 |
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robertofredrico private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by sborock I think he's asking would the CBCS label (in this scenario) say "large piece cut out" or something more specific like "Wolverine figure cut out". |
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The Fifth Golden Girl
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sborock private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Large piece cut out | ||
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 Hello, my name is Stu and I'm a shill.
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HexView private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by sborock Are you laughing at his naivete? I like the Green Label, it serves a necessary purpose. Plus, every Yellow CGC Ss book is Qualified, no big deal. |
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Hello, my name is Stu and I'm a shill.
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HexView private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by robertofredrico You know it  it was done this way before there ever was a CGC. It's the only way to keep page counting standardized. |
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The Fifth Golden Girl
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sborock private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by HexView As usual, you add nothing. I was laughing at the joke. |
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 Why just the women? I like bears.
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Gaard private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by HexView 100% disagree |
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 would be nice to have a snugger fit.
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Sigur_Ros private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by robertofredrico A lot of CBCS stuff comes from CGC. But the point is most people would think page 16 means page 16. People shouldn't have to know that comic book grading companies just happen to call a leaf a page. Is writing on "page 16" actually on page 31 or 32? Clearly it's not on 16  Quote: Originally Posted by robertofredrico I can disagree with something without making it an issue for anyone else. And it doesn't matter if I disagree, the topic is a label note about cut-outs. Funny, when I say ignore the page number, some try and make it so important. |
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 being an ass and being a clown are two very different things.
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| What happened to the Robin Avatar @HexView? | ||
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 I don't want to brag, but cashiers are always checking me out.
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| I think a 7.0 is way too high when someone purposly cut out the reason its worth money | ||
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would be nice to have a snugger fit.
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Sigur_Ros private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by power_struggle55 It's a qualified grade. |
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 Masculinity takes a holiday.
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EbayMafia private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by GAC But the What if? game is helpful in the "what should it sell for?" game. I think it's a smart business practice for CGC to give it's submitters the option of having the rest of the book graded, not just the damage. |
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 Where's his Bat-package?
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Quote:Originally Posted by EbayMafia It is an interesting option for grading, and I think it could be useful as just that: An option. As long as you have a book with a type of defect that falls into a prescribed list of defects (MVS missing, panel(s) cut out, pin-up/page missing, unwitnessed signature that doesn't pass verification, etc.) then you can choose to take a green label that clearly calls out the defect(s), but grades the rest of the book. |
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 It was a one trick pony show but always hilarious.
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GAC private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by EbayMafia I disagree. The qualified grade in your scenario only provides imaginary ammunition for the seller and creates a hurdle for the buyer to overcome. It's irrelevant what the grade might have been if the main defect didn't exist....because it does exist. There are graders notes to advise on defects. The qualified grade exists so submitters can have a higher number in the white square. |
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andy49 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| the "qualified" grade is bullsh*t, the book is the book | ||
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would be nice to have a snugger fit.
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Sigur_Ros private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by andy49 I disagree. Imagine you crack a 9.9, carefully cut out a coupon, it is suddenly a 1.0, despite being in perfect condition otherwise. I like the idea of the book being graded on the condition of what is there and clearly labeled with what may be missing inside. So back on topic, that's why I think a more specific note could be very valuable in some circumstances. There is a difference in value between a book with a random section of a leaf cut out, vs a character's first appearance. |
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It was a one trick pony show but always hilarious.
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GAC private msg quote post Address this user | |
| it doesn't matter if the defect(s) is spread out over the entire book or concentrated in one defect. The book is the book and that's its grade. | ||
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Where's his Bat-package?
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| I agree with @Sigur_Ros . There's a difference between a book in great condition that happens to be missing its centrespread and a battered old rag with the same defect, and yet on the basis of the missing centrespread, they would be given the same grade. A 'qualified' grade allows for a fair option for the otherwise nice book with a catastrophic defect. | ||
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would be nice to have a snugger fit.
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Sigur_Ros private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by Byrdibyrd Bingo. They are not the same book. The book is the book, and the other book is the other book. |
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 Thank you sir. May I have another?
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Siggy private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by sborock I know you don't- I meant label notation. That's the main concern for this situation. Would the label say something more specific, or does it fall in the category of any comic with any character cut out, with just a passing mention? |
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Masculinity takes a holiday.
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EbayMafia private msg quote post Address this user | |
| A qualified grade is just additional information about the book. I don't know who gets hurt by having the option of getting your book graded with the additional information. At CGC you have both choices, you can have the book graded based purely on the major defect or you can have the rest of the book graded with the major defect listed as a qualification on the grade. I don't see where the harm is. I'm the customer, I want to know the condition of my book...if it were just about the defect I could have done that at home. | ||
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Collector
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andy49 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| if you want to pay money to wait a year for an imaginary grade, you are the customer CGC can't get enough of | ||
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 I blame the forum gremlins.
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| Are we taking bets that the cutout and its owner went straight to a local tattoo shop? | ||
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It was a one trick pony show but always hilarious.
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GAC private msg quote post Address this user | |
| To me, its not additional information....or atleast no additional information that's real or useful. I don't see how ignoring a defect to get a higher grade is relevant or even real. Even if you have a ratty book or an otherwise 9.8 where both books are reduced to .5 because of a missing page. They're still both .5's and I have graders notes to consult as well as my own examination to see that one book looks better than the other but are still both .5s The only scenario where I see a Qualified grade might be useful is when you witness a signature or have a book with a signature you know 100% is real and you have no intention of selling the book. But now that CBCS has VSP, it sorta put a fork in that scenario for me. |
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Masculinity takes a holiday.
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EbayMafia private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by GAC But that idea there is no more legitimate than the idea of a qualified grade, it's just older. It's incredibly arbitrary and the only reason it's accepted is because it's been around longer as a standard. I don't think older ideas are always better than new ideas. Like I said, as a submitter I like having the option to choose either way. Even as a buyer of a slab, I like the idea of knowing the condition of a book beyond the major flaw. Grader notes don't tell me the actual grade of the rest of the book. And honestly, even as just a displayer of books I like not having a .5 or 1.0 label on my otherwise really nice looking Golden Age book that is missing a coupon from the back cover. |
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 Feel free to use my post as a checklist.
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multi007 private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by figment given the age of the book, it might have been glued to a trapper-keeper, or taped to the interior locker... God i miss those times... |
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 If I could, I would. I swear.
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Quote:Originally Posted by Siggy That was already answered: Quote: Originally Posted by sborock |
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It was a one trick pony show but always hilarious.
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GAC private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by EbayMafia It is legitimate if you subscribe to the grading companies methods and criteria to analyzing books and assigning grades, which given the popularity of slabbing, most have. I understand why a submitter may want to know this information but at best it perhaps should be a foot note in the graders notes and not on the label. This is no different than requesting a grading company to ignore the fact that there's colour touch, trimming or any restoration. |
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Hello, my name is Stu and I'm a shill.
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HexView private msg quote post Address this user | |
You guys should ask Steve what he thinks of the Green Label, since he's the one who invented it   Is he proud of it? Does he regret it? Is it a useful tool? |
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Where's his Bat-package?
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Byrdibyrd private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by GAC This would be true if the defect were being ignored, which it isn't. The defect is clearly pointed out and the book is set apart by the colour of its label. If the label were also blue like a 'Universal' label, then I would have a serious issue. |
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