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would be nice to have a snugger fit. Sigur_Ros private msg quote post Address this user
I saw this on another forum and I was wondering what people here would say.

When a piece of a page is missing, whether it's an accidentally ripped corner, or a stamp/coupon, or this... how specific should a label be?
And should it depend on the importance of the piece that is missing?









"Large piece cut out of page 16, affects story, incomplete"

Ignore the fact that they got the page number incorrect (shocker), but, in a case like this should this have stated what exactly was missing ?



Story, for those wondering:
The guy bought it in a collection, broke it out because he felt people would want to see what was missing, and he found this.


And yes, as I said there, it seems someone wanted to end the first appearance debate
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The apple sauce and pudding were the best part... Bronte private msg quote post Address this user
Though interesting I think the fact they noted a piece cut out was fine. The page number is not though.
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CBCS Boomhauer HeinzDad private msg quote post Address this user
The label should say, “first appearance of Wolverine”.
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Collector andy49 private msg quote post Address this user
ridiculous that book got a 7
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Collector Byrdibyrd private msg quote post Address this user
I'd be more concerned about the incorrect page number. If the page # is correct and people know that Wolverine appeared on that page, they can easily surmise that his panel was cut out (or that he was surgically excised). There is nothing else that could be done with that page other than to remove Wolverine from it.

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ridiculous that book got a 7

That's what the green 'Qualified' label is for. It lists a specific defect and then grades the rest of the book minus the defect.
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Collector dennisqdw private msg quote post Address this user
This is interesting to me. I kept back my really nice copy of the GA Blue Beetle #5 when I sent everything in to be graded because it had a much smaller hole cut out of one page, and I figured the grade would end up being so low it wasn't worth the expense. Go figure.
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If the viagra is working you should be well over a 9.8. xkonk private msg quote post Address this user
Maybe by 'page' they mean 'wrap'?

I have mixed feelings. Once the book is in a slab, does it really matter what's missing? But I suppose someone could crack it (as was the case here). But if I buy a book knowing that a large piece has been cut out and it was a story panel, can I be that upset?
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I blame the forum gremlins. figment private msg quote post Address this user
A 32 page comic is the front and back of 16 pages printed on 8 sheets of paper folded over with a cover. That's how they count "pages" as far as I know.
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Collector xjagnew private msg quote post Address this user
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Originally Posted by HeinzDad
The label should say, “first appearance of Wolverine”.


But is it if he's cut out? 🤔 😎
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Originally Posted by xjagnew
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Originally Posted by HeinzDad
The label should say, “first appearance of Wolverine”.


But is it if he's cut out? 🤔 😎
Doosh A!
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I blame the forum gremlins. figment private msg quote post Address this user
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Originally Posted by xjagnew
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Originally Posted by HeinzDad
The label should say, “first appearance of Wolverine”.


But is it if he's cut out? 🤔 😎


First disappearance of Wolverine.
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Suck it up, buttercup!! KatKomics private msg quote post Address this user
Does it affect the story?? they left the word balloons......

maybe the other side is affected - mine is all sealed and my facsimiles are in a box!!

p.s. -that's some fine X-Acto blade work there that is!!!
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Have I told you about the time I dropped off 3,000 comics at SDCC? Scifinator private msg quote post Address this user
That’s some revisionist history there. 😁
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Collector DWeeB1967 private msg quote post Address this user
For this particular example (Hulk #180), I'm sure many / most graders would know what has been cut out (Wolvie). However in many other cases, graders may not have a clue. So I think I'm good with a generic message in most cases. For me, just knowing that there is a cut-out piece or missing page is enough to convince me not to buy the book anyway.
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Collector robertofredrico private msg quote post Address this user
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Originally Posted by Sigur_Ros
Ignore the fact that they got the page number incorrect (shocker), but, in a case like this should this have stated what exactly was missing ?



The page number isn't incorrect. It's the last page of the book, which in a standard 8-wrap book like this means that it is page 16.
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Collector robertofredrico private msg quote post Address this user
Quote:
Originally Posted by HeinzDad
The label should say, “first appearance of Wolverine”.



The label does say that.
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Feel free to use my post as a checklist. multi007 private msg quote post Address this user
i wonder - in cases like this, couldnt the staples be removed carefully (bend the staples open) and that page replaced and staples placed back in?

Obviously you'd do that only on higher value books...

But a skilled person certainly can do that...
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Jack straw sborock private msg quote post Address this user
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Originally Posted by figment
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Originally Posted by xjagnew
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Originally Posted by HeinzDad
The label should say, “first appearance of Wolverine”.


But is it if he's cut out? 🤔 😎


First disappearance of Wolverine.


LOL!
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would be nice to have a snugger fit. Sigur_Ros private msg quote post Address this user
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Originally Posted by Sigur_Ros
Ignore the fact that they got the page number incorrect (shocker), but, in a case like this should this have stated what exactly was missing ?



The page number isn't incorrect. It's the last page of the book, which in a standard 8-wrap book like this means that it is page 16.

No, the "page" numbers are 31 & 32.
I agree it should say "leaf 16", but it doesn't. It says Page 16.
People shouldn't have to decipher CGC code.




This is exactly why I'm wondering if in some cases it's better to specify what is missing.
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would be nice to have a snugger fit. Sigur_Ros private msg quote post Address this user
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Originally Posted by KatKomics
Does it affect the story?? they left the word balloons......



I'm guessing some is missing.
My crude version of mirroring page 32 and outlining on 31.




Don't ever ask me to do a remarque.
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If I could, I would. I swear. DrWatson private msg quote post Address this user
That's funny. The biggest (only?) reason someone would want that book has been meticulously removed. That's a very big qualification. That's like, "My Hulk #1 is a qualified 8.0. It's just missing half of the cover, but if we pretend it isn't missing, that sucker would be a 8.0."
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It was a one trick pony show but always hilarious. GAC private msg quote post Address this user
The Qualified label is the "What If" of grading labels...."What if we pretended that damage doesn't exist...."
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Jack straw sborock private msg quote post Address this user
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Originally Posted by GAC
The Qualified label is the "What If" of grading labels...."What if we pretended that damage doesn't exist...."


LOL!
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Collector Siggy private msg quote post Address this user
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Originally Posted by sborock
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Originally Posted by GAC
The Qualified label is the "What If" of grading labels...."What if we pretended that damage doesn't exist...."


LOL!

Does CBCS have an established procedure for a situation like this, or would this be set aside for extra attention? This has to happen often with cartoon books.
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Collector robertofredrico private msg quote post Address this user
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Originally Posted by Sigur_Ros

No, the "page" numbers are 31 & 32.
I agree it should say "leaf 16", but it doesn't. It says Page 16.
People shouldn't have to decipher CGC code.



Lol. It's hardly "CGC code". CBCS counts and labels pages the same way. That's why when the MVS is cut out of this book, both companies say it is missing from page 10. So if you disagree with it, take it up with the comic grading industry.
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Jack straw sborock private msg quote post Address this user
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Originally Posted by Siggy
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Originally Posted by sborock
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Originally Posted by GAC
The Qualified label is the "What If" of grading labels...."What if we pretended that damage doesn't exist...."


LOL!

Does CBCS have an established procedure for a situation like this, or would this be set aside for extra attention? This has to happen often with cartoon books.


CBCS does not use a Qualified label.
The book would probably grade a 1.0
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Collector robertofredrico private msg quote post Address this user
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Originally Posted by sborock
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Originally Posted by Siggy
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Originally Posted by sborock
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Originally Posted by GAC
The Qualified label is the "What If" of grading labels...."What if we pretended that damage doesn't exist...."


LOL!

Does CBCS have an established procedure for a situation like this, or would this be set aside for extra attention? This has to happen often with cartoon books.


CBCS does not use a Qualified label.
The book would probably grade a 1.0



I think he's asking would the CBCS label (in this scenario) say "large piece cut out" or something more specific like "Wolverine figure cut out".
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Jack straw sborock private msg quote post Address this user
Large piece cut out
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Hello, my name is Stu and I'm a shill. HexView private msg quote post Address this user
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Originally Posted by sborock
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Originally Posted by GAC
The Qualified label is the "What If" of grading labels...."What if we pretended that damage doesn't exist...."


LOL!


Are you laughing at his naivete?
I like the Green Label, it serves a necessary purpose.
Plus, every Yellow CGC Ss book is Qualified, no big deal.
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Hello, my name is Stu and I'm a shill. HexView private msg quote post Address this user
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Originally Posted by robertofredrico
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Originally Posted by Sigur_Ros

No, the "page" numbers are 31 & 32.
I agree it should say "leaf 16", but it doesn't. It says Page 16.
People shouldn't have to decipher CGC code.

Lol. It's hardly "CGC code". CBCS counts and labels pages the same way. That's why when the MVS is cut out of this book, both companies say it is missing from page 10. So if you disagree with it, take it up with the comic grading industry.

You know it 👍 it was done this way before there ever was a CGC. It's the only way to keep page counting standardized.
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