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I called CGC about the giveback benefit. beastboy1980 private msg quote post Address this user
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The shipping rates seem normal enough - they are close to CGC's FedEx shipping rates and similar to CBCS's old shipping rates. The main difference here is - and it's substantial - is that insurance is an extra cost. A LOT extra on higher value packages.

CBCS also no longer offers the option to ship by USPS Registered mail. The Gold standard in shipping. An option offered - and mostly used - by CGC. By the time a package gets to around 5K it would be cheaper to use Registered mail versus FedEx and CBCS's insurance.

This is also not a cut and dry situation. There are going to be winners and losers here. Some people - like myself and many others - have private shipping insurance. CBCS's FedEx shipping rates previously included insurance. Coverage I and many others did not need and would have opted out of paying for - if such option existed. And now it does. But if you don't have private shipping insurance and your package coming back to you is $5k or more, you'd be better off if CBCS still offered Registered Mail shipping.

I decided to mock up another submission (I have a dealer account) just to test the shipping and some other things that came to mind. Here is what I've learned.

I did four books
One Modern Express valued at $1000 ($34)
One Premium Express valued at $5000 ($340)
One Premium Express valued at $50,000 (also $340 LOL. It was also $340 at $100K, 250K)
One Vintage Plus Express valued at $4500 ($85)

Shipping - without insurance - is $30. If I wanted insurance it would be $732 more. OUCH!. $732 would pay for your private insurance for a year - probably with change left over....

I don't know how to politely say the fact that a $5000 book costs the same as $50,000 book (or a million dollar book) is just crazy. At least from a financial standpoint. That $50,000 book with a dealer discount on grading at CGC is $1,275. So IDK. This is either a goof - or CBCS wants to get some high dollar books into CBCS slabs and on the market. For example, the population report indicates they have yet to grade an Action 1. Maybe Beckett believes they need some BIG books - the HUGE books - to get respect. So if that is the case I'm all for it. I WANT CBCS to be either #1 or a #2 just milliseconds behind. But meanwhile, I am sending my $5K book to CGC for $127.50, thank you. Alternately CBCS could have accomplished the goal of attracting huge books by keeping 1 day at 3% of FMV but capping the maximum price at $$500 - $1000, saving the owners of high dollar books thousands of dollars over CGC prices. Not by expecting those of us with measly $5-10K books to pay the same price as the million dollar club members for grading.

In the past, Grade screen was ONLY available on Modern, Expanded and Consumer tiers - with or without Fast Pass. Not available on 2-Day Modern, Quickstream, Rapid and 1 Day. Every tier I tested allowed grade screening. Including the $50,000 book (an ASM 1 at 9.8 LOL) Maybe this is an oversight, but if it is not it is a really, REALLY great benefit to be able to grade screen at the higher value and much faster TAT tiers. I've told a few clients over the years that they had to choose between 2Day modern speed and Modern Fast Pass grade screen. They could not have both. Now they can. Unless this is a goof to be fixed. BTW, for those that might be unaware grade screening is also only available on the cheap tiers/slow tiers at CGC as well.

I believe this covers what I learned from this test run. I have several submissions to CBCS in the wings, but because of all the changes I have to reconfirm what clients want to use/do. Then I can run some real submissions.


this may sound stupid
but given the fact of lets say a book is wroth say 2 grand
i would think that the insurance coming back should really be picked up by the grading company
if they are going to say it cost X AMOUNT to grade this book then charge me the set price and thats it.
i never un derstood why they charged more becuase the comic is worth more.
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For those that have done test runs on the new online submission form, can anyone find the reholder section or option? I can't seem to find it.





I saw the price. I'm talking about the online submission form. It used to give you the option to submit new books or reholder, but I'm not seeing it.
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would be nice to have a snugger fit. Sigur_Ros private msg quote post Address this user
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For those that have done test runs on the new online submission form, can anyone find the reholder section or option? I can't seem to find it.





I saw the price. I'm talking about the online submission form. It used to give you the option to submit new books or reholder, but I'm not seeing it.


Oh, OK. I misunderstood.
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I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this. GAC private msg quote post Address this user
I'm assuming shipping costs and insurance costs are not set by CBCS. They are merely reporting these costs as set by their delivery company.
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I called CGC about the giveback benefit. beastboy1980 private msg quote post Address this user
stupid question

when they decide the worth of the comic book the grading houses. what are they going buy to judge the value.


is it overstreet price guide ?

and the turn around days seems off it went from 160 days to 224 that sounds crazy
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past performance is no guarantee of future actions. KatKomics private msg quote post Address this user
what FMV are they going to assess on...the FMV when the book was submitted of the FMV it is 2 years later when it gets to grading.....

some books have major swings in either direction for that type of time period


btw....you'll be kidding yourself if you don't think 2 years will grow now that they will do the 'guaranteed' books first
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would be nice to have a snugger fit. Sigur_Ros private msg quote post Address this user
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stupid question

when they decide the worth of the comic book the grading houses. what are they going buy to judge the value.

Grading houses don't assign values, they just define the condition so that a value can be assessed, based on market.

If the carriers request their help in insurance claims, then I would assume they'd use anything but Overstreet. Overstreet is outdated before it's even printed.
But, I don't know if the grading companies are ever involved in researching values.
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@Bronte I'm actually covered by freight insurance for international shipping but, due to under par shipping packaging from CBCS, I always have breakages on my subs and, in honesty, I don't fancy having to make claims on my own insurance when the premiums have already gone sky high after my last claim due to courier loss. None of the breakages have led to a damaged book, yet, but its simply a numbers game and eventually it will. My excess is £500 alone with another £200 a month for the level of cover we need. One more claim and i dread to think what it will go up to.
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The apple sauce and pudding were the best part... Bronte private msg quote post Address this user
@rtdcomics

Understood. It was just a thought....
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All of our turn around times are updated on the website.

Not all. Still no TAT for the raw grade service. It's stated as a faster method than slabbed grading, but how fast is it? Any official info on this would be appreciated.
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Have I told you about the time I dropped off 3,000 comics at SDCC? Scifinator private msg quote post Address this user
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By the way, the new TAT's seem to have actually been calculated based on 7 day work weeks, so probably much lower that posted.


any idea what the days are then for members and dealers


The TAT are based on actual business days. So usually 5 days a week, barring holidays.

@J.Haas - I find that interesting, because at 5 business days, 224 day grading TAT equates to 45 weeks when just prior to the Price update, the TAT's for Modern, Expanded, & Consumer were 31-32 weeks. Similarly, the estimated Press TAT was 71 weeks and now, based on 5 busi days, the TAT is now 98 weeks.

Coincidently, if you take the 224 day Grading and 490 day Pressing and divide out by 7 day/week we come up with a much closer to original 32 week and 70 week total TAT.

So please clarify, because those coincidental numbers look way too close to there being a miscalc on the changeover. Or, is it that CBCS just got an even more massive amount of submissions due to the price increase.

Thnx mch.
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Very true.
To be honest,I wish they dedicated one customer service person to man the forums and social media outlets for like a full month during launch to answer questions.


I am our Social Media guy, and I answer questions on social media every day.I haven't been on here because to my understanding this was being covered but I am here now.
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I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this. GAC private msg quote post Address this user
@J.Haas Welcome!!!! You're in for a ride!!🍻
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By the way, the new TAT's seem to have actually been calculated based on 7 day work weeks, so probably much lower that posted.


any idea what the days are then for members and dealers


The TAT are based on actual business days. So usually 5 days a week, barring holidays.

@J.Haas - I find that interesting, because at 5 business days, 224 day grading TAT equates to 45 weeks when just prior to the Price update, the TAT's for Modern, Expanded, & Consumer were 31-32 weeks. Similarly, the estimated Press TAT was 71 weeks and now, based on 5 busi days, the TAT is now 98 weeks.

Coincidently, if you take the 224 day Grading and 490 day Pressing and divide out by 7 day/week we come up with a much closer to original 32 week and 70 week total TAT.

So please clarify, because those coincidental numbers look way too close to there being a miscalc on the changeover. Or, is it that CBCS just got an even more massive amount of submissions due to the price increase.

Thnx mch.



To my understanding, these reflect our old 7 day week times. However our guaranteed TAT is based on business days instead.

We are expecting more submissions, of course, but we are also hiring and training several more people so that we can produce our same quality at. faster rate.
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Where's his Bat-package? Byrdibyrd private msg quote post Address this user
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Very true.
To be honest,I wish they dedicated one customer service person to man the forums and social media outlets for like a full month during launch to answer questions.


I am our Social Media guy, and I answer questions on social media every day.I haven't been on here because to my understanding this was being covered but I am here now.

Thanks! That's great. Already appreciating getting some quick answers.
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Have I told you about the time I dropped off 3,000 comics at SDCC? Scifinator private msg quote post Address this user
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To my understanding, these reflect our old 7 day week times. However our guaranteed TAT is based on business days instead.


@J.Haas - "To my understanding, these reflect our old 7 day week times." Ok, so correct me if I am wrong, you are saying that the estimated Standard TAT's are based on the old 7 days per week, to the standard TAT's are indeed still 32 weeks for Grading and 71 weeks for Pressing. However, the Guaranteed Express TAT's are instead, based on 5 day work weeks.

If that is indeed correct, is it any wonder there is so much confusion when Standard TAT's are based on apples and Express TAT's are based on oranges. Why not make all based on 5 day work week? In that case the Standard TAT's for the lowest Tiers should be at 160 days for Grading and 355 days for Pressing? That would make much more sense and be uniform.
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I called CGC about the giveback benefit. beastboy1980 private msg quote post Address this user
SO TATS are still 32 weeks for moderns

this is totally confusing
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I called CGC about the giveback benefit. beastboy1980 private msg quote post Address this user
why change the days listed then.

this to me is a cluster of confusion
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past performance is no guarantee of future actions. KatKomics private msg quote post Address this user
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why change the days listed then.

this to me is a cluster of confusion


lunar or julian or gregorian calendar??
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would be nice to have a snugger fit. Sigur_Ros private msg quote post Address this user
Love CBCS but it's pretty clear this rollout was very premature.
Broken links, lack of info, differing TATs depending on what page you're looking at. Yesterday, some things were changing after a page refresh. Still no info for existing memberships/vouchers. Now the 3 links below aren't even working for me.




Many prices increasing dramatically but on top of it the website is just a mess.
Hopefully they get it all straightened out, with information added.... soon.
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We should have the forum rate our packages. HeinzDad private msg quote post Address this user
Is anyone waiting to send in a submission, like, right this minute? If not, I’m wondering why everything needs to be answered right this minute.
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The apple sauce and pudding were the best part... Bronte private msg quote post Address this user
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Have I told you about the time I dropped off 3,000 comics at SDCC? Scifinator private msg quote post Address this user
@HeinzDad - i pretty much sent in the last of my available submissions a couple of months ago. In before the Increase. I will not likely be sending anything for the next quarter or so depending on my PC acquisitions.
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We should have the forum rate our packages. HeinzDad private msg quote post Address this user
@Scifinator, I sent one in on Monday before the increase. By what I read almost everyone intends on waiting a while. If that is the case, why is it so important that everyone knows everything? If you want to send a book send it. Is it a comparison thing between brands? Is it a throw shade at any company just because? It's Friday evening BTW, are business questions going to get answered over the weekend?

I'm not trying to be cynical but I had a question like all these Ive read. If I don't get any answers should I get upset about it? I'm sure I'm not gaining any amigo's here but whatever.
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I am actually thinking of submitting some books this weekend to test the express service.
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We should have the forum rate our packages. HeinzDad private msg quote post Address this user
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I am actually thinking of submitting some books this weekend to test the express service.
Thats cool. Let us know. I’m planning on sending another in at snail submission after I buy some boxes.
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Will do dude!
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One more question. Was there any mention of a grade screen reject fee for express?

I know that before it wasn’t an option with the 2 day modern but it appears that today when I use the modern express it is an available option. If anyone can clarify that would be helpful. No hurry.
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Where's his Bat-package? Byrdibyrd private msg quote post Address this user
I plan on testing the waters pretty soon! Just a question of what I'll be sending in.
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past performance is no guarantee of future actions. KatKomics private msg quote post Address this user
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Is anyone waiting to send in a submission, like, right this minute? If not, I’m wondering why everything needs to be answered right this minute.


I think I'm going to send some VSP books in...just need to decide which ones....I know 2 for sure with a 3 and 4 as contenders.


Also need to wait for magazines to go live - have a few VSP magazines and maybe 2 normal magazines to send in...maybe 1 of those with express or something and straight to MCS??
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