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Ima gonna steal this and look for some occasion to use it! IronMan private msg quote post Address this user
@flanders @KatKomics
The shipping rates seem normal enough - they are close to CGC's FedEx shipping rates and similar to CBCS's old shipping rates. The main difference here is - and it's substantial - is that insurance is an extra cost. A LOT extra on higher value packages.

CBCS also no longer offers the option to ship by USPS Registered mail. The Gold standard in shipping. An option offered - and mostly used - by CGC. By the time a package gets to around 5K it would be cheaper to use Registered mail versus FedEx and CBCS's insurance.

This is also not a cut and dry situation. There are going to be winners and losers here. Some people - like myself and many others - have private shipping insurance. CBCS's FedEx shipping rates previously included insurance. Coverage I and many others did not need and would have opted out of paying for - if such option existed. And now it does. But if you don't have private shipping insurance and your package coming back to you is $5k or more, you'd be better off if CBCS still offered Registered Mail shipping.

I decided to mock up another submission (I have a dealer account) just to test the shipping and some other things that came to mind. Here is what I've learned.

I did four books
One Modern Express valued at $1000 ($34)
One Premium Express valued at $5000 ($340)
One Premium Express valued at $50,000 (also $340 LOL. It was also $340 at $100K, 250K)
One Vintage Plus Express valued at $4500 ($85)

Shipping - without insurance - is $30. If I wanted insurance it would be $732 more. OUCH!. $732 would pay for your private insurance for a year - probably with change left over....

I don't know how to politely say the fact that a $5000 book costs the same as $50,000 book (or a million dollar book) is just crazy. At least from a financial standpoint. That $50,000 book with a dealer discount on grading at CGC is $1,275. So IDK. This is either a goof - or CBCS wants to get some high dollar books into CBCS slabs and on the market. For example, the population report indicates they have yet to grade an Action 1. Maybe Beckett believes they need some BIG books - the HUGE books - to get respect. So if that is the case I'm all for it. I WANT CBCS to be either #1 or a #2 just milliseconds behind. But meanwhile, I am sending my $5K book to CGC for $127.50, thank you. Alternately CBCS could have accomplished the goal of attracting huge books by keeping 1 day at 3% of FMV but capping the maximum price at $$500 - $1000, saving the owners of high dollar books thousands of dollars over CGC prices. Not by expecting those of us with measly $5-10K books to pay the same price as the million dollar club members for grading.

In the past, Grade screen was ONLY available on Modern, Expanded and Consumer tiers - with or without Fast Pass. Not available on 2-Day Modern, Quickstream, Rapid and 1 Day. Every tier I tested allowed grade screening. Including the $50,000 book (an ASM 1 at 9.8 LOL) Maybe this is an oversight, but if it is not it is a really, REALLY great benefit to be able to grade screen at the higher value and much faster TAT tiers. I've told a few clients over the years that they had to choose between 2Day modern speed and Modern Fast Pass grade screen. They could not have both. Now they can. Unless this is a goof to be fixed. BTW, for those that might be unaware grade screening is also only available on the cheap tiers/slow tiers at CGC as well.

I believe this covers what I learned from this test run. I have several submissions to CBCS in the wings, but because of all the changes I have to reconfirm what clients want to use/do. Then I can run some real submissions.
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Collector NeedaNewName private msg quote post Address this user
Please correct me if I am wrong.

Modern price for a slow submission went from $16 to $22 with membership.

Modern express is $36 with membership.

Membership is a now one tier of $200 per year to get that 10% but no additional coupons or grading credits?

I just want to clarify as my membership is up soon and will most likely just let it lapse as it appears that I would have to send 50 express books a year to break even on the membership cost? Non member price is $40-$36 for member. 50x4=200
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would be nice to have a snugger fit. Sigur_Ros private msg quote post Address this user
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Originally Posted by NeedaNewName
Please correct me if I am wrong.

Modern price for a slow submission went from $16 to $22 with membership.

Modern express is $36 with membership.

Membership is a now one tier of $200 per year to get that 10% but no additional coupons or grading credits?

I just want to clarify as my membership is up soon and will most likely just let it lapse as it appears that I would have to send 50 express books a year to break even on the membership cost? Non member price is $40-$36 for member. 50x4=200

Based on the info we've been given, that seems correct.
What I haven't read yet is what happens for those of us with current memberships w/ coupons remaining... for services that no longer exist.
Been a very strange rollout.
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I called CGC about the giveback benefit. beastboy1980 private msg quote post Address this user
does anyone know the current turn around times for paid members
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I live in RI and Rhode Islanders eat chili with beans. esaravo private msg quote post Address this user
@flanders and @IronMan - I mentioned the ridiculous increase in shipping costs in Post 77. The invoice for the order I filled out before the new pricing (5 SA books valued over $400 each) listed shipping and insurance costs at $35. The new pricing lowers the shipping cost to $30, but then adds a $48 insurance cost to that! So that “extra” $5 jumped up to an extra $48, or an increase of $43 FOR 5 comics! That’s an increase of almost $15 PER COMIC! So now shipping and insurance per book will cost more than it used to cost to grade a post-1975 comic book! These insurance costs cannot be correct. Shouldn’t CBCS’s insurance policy cover all comics not only in their possession, but until they get returned? I am pretty sure that a few members that have purchased private insurance policies for their collections have stated that their insurance also covers their books while they are in transit. Please correct me if I am wrong. So shouldn’t CBCS’s commercial policy do the same?
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I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this. GAC private msg quote post Address this user
@esaravo In Ontario Canada, coverage for Proprty In Transit is a paid endorsement on commercial policies. The client does not have to purchase this coverage. They may be wanting to save on their cost of insurance by transferring that insurance cost to the end customer, us.

The nature of CBCS's business probably makes that added coverage cost a fortune. Multiple thousands of packages shipped annually valued at probably millions of dollars.

I don't know for sure if that's what's happening, but like I said, here in Ontario, that's an added, paid coverage where cost is rated by volume and insurable value.
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Collector NeedaNewName private msg quote post Address this user
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sigur_Ros
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Originally Posted by NeedaNewName
Please correct me if I am wrong.

Modern price for a slow submission went from $16 to $22 with membership.

Modern express is $36 with membership.

Membership is a now one tier of $200 per year to get that 10% but no additional coupons or grading credits?

I just want to clarify as my membership is up soon and will most likely just let it lapse as it appears that I would have to send 50 express books a year to break even on the membership cost? Non member price is $40-$36 for member. 50x4=200

Based on the info we've been given, that seems correct.
What I haven't read yet is what happens for those of us with current memberships w/ coupons remaining... for services that no longer exist.
Been a very strange rollout.


Hopefully more will be revealed soon.

I really like CBCS grading for accuracy compared to the other company.
With the new pricing as it stands I believe I would utilize the modern express to some degree but would not use the other tiers and not renew my bronze membership.
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Collector altomista private msg quote post Address this user
For those that have done test runs on the new online submission form, can anyone find the reholder section or option? I can't seem to find it.
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I had no way of knowing that 9.8 graded copies signed by Adam Hughes weren't what you were looking for. drchaos private msg quote post Address this user
Most of the price changes at CBCS are pretty consistent with the price changes CGC recently enacted.

The one change that stands out to me the most is that the authorized witness fee increased 400% from $5 to $20.

CGC did raise their fee to $15 but that doesn't matter much if they can't be bothered to attend shows and provide any service to anyone that is not a facilitator.

It should be interesting to see how this will play out in the third party market for signature series slabs.

While online buyers have finally gotten used to paying sales tax I am not so sure that they will be willing to eat all of these higher costs.

Hopefully our hobby will keep growing as it has the last few years.
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The apple sauce and pudding were the best part... Bronte private msg quote post Address this user
I have collect insure insurance policy and I don't know if they cover the return shipment home. I just sent an email asking just that, and i will post a reply when I get one.

Edit

Their reply

Thank you for your email. As long as each shipment is send with signature required upon receipt via FedEx, that would be covered under your policy up to the $60,000 policy limit.



Please note that we consider 1 shipment as 1 or any number of boxes leaving one destination and arriving at a new destination as the same time.



If you need anything else, please let me know.



Andrea Lamster-Miloszenski

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P: 888-837-9537

D: 610-660-5466

F: 410-876-9233

E: alamster-miloszenski@CollectInsure.com

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Subject: Policy question on shipping





I have a policy with your company

In terms of comic books and shipping. If I ship via FedEx WITH signature confirmation is it covered both ways to and from a grading company?

Essentially I send books to a company who grades the comics and then returns my books to me after they are encapsulated and graded. I know when I ship to the company I am covered with your policy but am I covered on the books return home?
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Collector rtdcomics private msg quote post Address this user
man, this is crazy. Starting to look into some of these prices compared to our previous subs.

Based on our existing 84 book submission the previous shipping was $400 return to the UK. This was based on several tiers with books with varying insurance values up to $1000.

Based on the new system of separate shipping and insurance the same size order comes to $650! What's even worse is that thats based on insurance values of only $250 each, without adding accurate varying tiers/insurance levels.

How can a dealer with a set price list then justify that to a customer? sorry as your 5 vintage books are all of values up to $1000 this is now adding on a much larger insurance charge to our overall order so we are now having to charge you an additional 'x' amount in shipping???
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The apple sauce and pudding were the best part... Bronte private msg quote post Address this user
@rtdcomics

That's crazy. But as i just posted, some insurance companies do cover the books. Perhaps you should check with your insurance company. I know I was very surprised by my company's response.
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I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this. GAC private msg quote post Address this user
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bronte
I have collect insure insurance policy and I don't know if they cover the return shipment home. I just sent an email asking just that, and i will post a reply when I get one.

Edit

Their reply

Thank you for your email. As long as each shipment is send with signature required upon receipt via FedEx, that would be covered under your policy up to the $60,000 policy limit.



Please note that we consider 1 shipment as 1 or any number of boxes leaving one destination and arriving at a new destination as the same time.



If you need anything else, please let me know.



Andrea Lamster-Miloszenski

Underwriter

Collectibles Insurance Services

A member of Global Indemnity

P: 888-837-9537

D: 610-660-5466

F: 410-876-9233

E: alamster-miloszenski@CollectInsure.com

www.CollectInsure.com



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CIS_Logo_General_200



California License 0H14993

In Michigan dba Collectibles Insurance Agency Services LLC

In New York dba Collectibles Services Insurance Agency, LLC

This email is intended for the addressee shown. It contains information that is confidential and protected from disclosure. Any dissemination or use of this transmission or its contents by unintended persons is strictly prohibited. If this email relates to the placement of coverage through Collectibles Insurance Services, LLC, please note that no coverage will be bound and no changes made on any policy without a written "Confirmation of Insurance", Binder, Endorsement or Reinstatement from our office. Coverage cannot be assumed if you do not receive one of the aforementioned notices.




Subject: Policy question on shipping





I have a policy with your company

In terms of comic books and shipping. If I ship via FedEx WITH signature confirmation is it covered both ways to and from a grading company?

Essentially I send books to a company who grades the comics and then returns my books to me after they are encapsulated and graded. I know when I ship to the company I am covered with your policy but am I covered on the books return home?


That's great.

I'd be curious to know what would happen ìf....the book was returned with signature option but the FedEx guy never obtained a signature. I've read posts here (more than once) stating this has happened. Curious if the insurance company would tell you to claim through FedEx for not obtaining a sig....or would they take the claim as it's not your fault FedEx did'nt obtain a signature.
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The apple sauce and pudding were the best part... Bronte private msg quote post Address this user
Personally I would think that fedex should eat the cost since it was their incompetence. But ultimately I don't know. I hope I never have to find out.
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CBCS Social Media Specialist J.Haas private msg quote post Address this user
Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedaNewName
Please correct me if I am wrong.

Modern price for a slow submission went from $16 to $22 with membership.

Modern express is $36 with membership.

Membership is a now one tier of $200 per year to get that 10% but no additional coupons or grading credits?

I just want to clarify as my membership is up soon and will most likely just let it lapse as it appears that I would have to send 50 express books a year to break even on the membership cost? Non member price is $40-$36 for member. 50x4=200


The new membership benefit is the 10% off in pricing, so your understanding is correct on that.
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CBCS Social Media Specialist J.Haas private msg quote post Address this user
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vrishnak
So it looks like 2 day Modern is gone. This is the service I used the most.


All of the "faster" tiers have been replaced with our new Express Tiers instead!
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would be nice to have a snugger fit. Sigur_Ros private msg quote post Address this user
Quote:
Originally Posted by altomista
For those that have done test runs on the new online submission form, can anyone find the reholder section or option? I can't seem to find it.



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CBCS Social Media Specialist J.Haas private msg quote post Address this user
Quote:
Originally Posted by dielinfinite
The price increases aren’t too bad except for the witnessed signature fee which went from $5 to $20! Basically matching the cost of grading a New tier, which is ridiculous. I haven’t found pricing for VSP but that’s to close to the old VSP pricing and Slab-Only,assuming it is the same service as before with one VSP signature included is a much more attractive option now







The Witness Signature there is a different program than our Authentic Signature Program!
It will be launched soon.
The price for a Witnessed Signature is still $5.
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Originally Posted by beastboy1980
does anyone know the current turn around times for paid members


All of our turn around times are updated on the website.
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CBCS Social Media Specialist J.Haas private msg quote post Address this user
Quote:
Originally Posted by beastboy1980
Quote:
Originally Posted by Scifinator
By the way, the new TAT's seem to have actually been calculated based on 7 day work weeks, so probably much lower that posted.


any idea what the days are then for members and dealers


The TAT are based on actual business days. So usually 5 days a week, barring holidays.
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The apple sauce and pudding were the best part... Bronte private msg quote post Address this user
@jhaas776

Are you the CBCS representative or just a regular forum member? If you are representative, you may want to get with Jesse to change your avatar so we know who you are.
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Collector NeedaNewName private msg quote post Address this user
Quote:
Originally Posted by jhaas776
Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedaNewName
Please correct me if I am wrong.

Modern price for a slow submission went from $16 to $22 with membership.

Modern express is $36 with membership.

Membership is a now one tier of $200 per year to get that 10% but no additional coupons or grading credits?


The new membership benefit is the 10% off in pricing, so your understanding is correct on that.


Thanks for clarifying, wishing you guys the best of luck!

My thoughts are that the modern express should be popular while the regular modern may become less poplar and push a bunch a lower value comics to the other guys. This is the case for me at least. Had a 60 book sub of lower value comics ready to send but cut it down to 50 books and sent it to FL instead.
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would be nice to have a snugger fit. Sigur_Ros private msg quote post Address this user
Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedaNewName
This is the case for me at least. Had a 60 book sub of lower value comics ready to send but cut it down to 50 books and sent it to FL instead.

So you're settling with the company you said (and I agree) is less accurate with their grading?

Anyway, on behalf of everyone, thank you for not messing with our TATs.
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Originally Posted by starlord
Perhaps I missed something here, I have a paid membership I would like to use the express service but I don't see it come up when I try to enter books for submission. And if I'm correct Magazine still aren't an option until the end of the month?


Magazines are not available yet, but I am not sure why you are unable to use the express service... We will report that and try to get it fixed.
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I called CGC about the giveback benefit. beastboy1980 private msg quote post Address this user
Quote:
Originally Posted by esaravo
@flanders and @IronMan - I mentioned the ridiculous increase in shipping costs in Post 77. The invoice for the order I filled out before the new pricing (5 SA books valued over $400 each) listed shipping and insurance costs at $35. The new pricing lowers the shipping cost to $30, but then adds a $48 insurance cost to that! So that “extra” $5 jumped up to an extra $48, or an increase of $43 FOR 5 comics! That’s an increase of almost $15 PER COMIC! So now shipping and insurance per book will cost more than it used to cost to grade a post-1975 comic book! These insurance costs cannot be correct. Shouldn’t CBCS’s insurance policy cover all comics not only in their possession, but until they get returned? I am pretty sure that a few members that have purchased private insurance policies for their collections have stated that their insurance also covers their books while they are in transit. Please correct me if I am wrong. So shouldn’t CBCS’s commercial policy do the same?


wow the prices just to insure the comic and shipping is crazy
and you did not factor in the graded price
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I called CGC about the giveback benefit. beastboy1980 private msg quote post Address this user
Quote:
Originally Posted by IronMan
@flanders @KatKomics
The shipping rates seem normal enough - they are close to CGC's FedEx shipping rates and similar to CBCS's old shipping rates. The main difference here is - and it's substantial - is that insurance is an extra cost. A LOT extra on higher value packages.

CBCS also no longer offers the option to ship by USPS Registered mail. The Gold standard in shipping. An option offered - and mostly used - by CGC. By the time a package gets to around 5K it would be cheaper to use Registered mail versus FedEx and CBCS's insurance.

This is also not a cut and dry situation. There are going to be winners and losers here. Some people - like myself and many others - have private shipping insurance. CBCS's FedEx shipping rates previously included insurance. Coverage I and many others did not need and would have opted out of paying for - if such option existed. And now it does. But if you don't have private shipping insurance and your package coming back to you is $5k or more, you'd be better off if CBCS still offered Registered Mail shipping.

I decided to mock up another submission (I have a dealer account) just to test the shipping and some other things that came to mind. Here is what I've learned.

I did four books
One Modern Express valued at $1000 ($34)
One Premium Express valued at $5000 ($340)
One Premium Express valued at $50,000 (also $340 LOL. It was also $340 at $100K, 250K)
One Vintage Plus Express valued at $4500 ($85)

Shipping - without insurance - is $30. If I wanted insurance it would be $732 more. OUCH!. $732 would pay for your private insurance for a year - probably with change left over....

I don't know how to politely say the fact that a $5000 book costs the same as $50,000 book (or a million dollar book) is just crazy. At least from a financial standpoint. That $50,000 book with a dealer discount on grading at CGC is $1,275. So IDK. This is either a goof - or CBCS wants to get some high dollar books into CBCS slabs and on the market. For example, the population report indicates they have yet to grade an Action 1. Maybe Beckett believes they need some BIG books - the HUGE books - to get respect. So if that is the case I'm all for it. I WANT CBCS to be either #1 or a #2 just milliseconds behind. But meanwhile, I am sending my $5K book to CGC for $127.50, thank you. Alternately CBCS could have accomplished the goal of attracting huge books by keeping 1 day at 3% of FMV but capping the maximum price at $$500 - $1000, saving the owners of high dollar books thousands of dollars over CGC prices. Not by expecting those of us with measly $5-10K books to pay the same price as the million dollar club members for grading.

In the past, Grade screen was ONLY available on Modern, Expanded and Consumer tiers - with or without Fast Pass. Not available on 2-Day Modern, Quickstream, Rapid and 1 Day. Every tier I tested allowed grade screening. Including the $50,000 book (an ASM 1 at 9.8 LOL) Maybe this is an oversight, but if it is not it is a really, REALLY great benefit to be able to grade screen at the higher value and much faster TAT tiers. I've told a few clients over the years that they had to choose between 2Day modern speed and Modern Fast Pass grade screen. They could not have both. Now they can. Unless this is a goof to be fixed. BTW, for those that might be unaware grade screening is also only available on the cheap tiers/slow tiers at CGC as well.

I believe this covers what I learned from this test run. I have several submissions to CBCS in the wings, but because of all the changes I have to reconfirm what clients want to use/do. Then I can run some real submissions.


this may sound stupid
but given the fact of lets say a book is wroth say 2 grand
i would think that the insurance coming back should really be picked up by the grading company
if they are going to say it cost X AMOUNT to grade this book then charge me the set price and thats it.
i never un derstood why they charged more becuase the comic is worth more.
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Originally Posted by Sigur_Ros
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Originally Posted by altomista
For those that have done test runs on the new online submission form, can anyone find the reholder section or option? I can't seem to find it.





I saw the price. I'm talking about the online submission form. It used to give you the option to submit new books or reholder, but I'm not seeing it.
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would be nice to have a snugger fit. Sigur_Ros private msg quote post Address this user
Quote:
Originally Posted by altomista
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sigur_Ros
Quote:
Originally Posted by altomista
For those that have done test runs on the new online submission form, can anyone find the reholder section or option? I can't seem to find it.





I saw the price. I'm talking about the online submission form. It used to give you the option to submit new books or reholder, but I'm not seeing it.


Oh, OK. I misunderstood.
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I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this. GAC private msg quote post Address this user
I'm assuming shipping costs and insurance costs are not set by CBCS. They are merely reporting these costs as set by their delivery company.
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I called CGC about the giveback benefit. beastboy1980 private msg quote post Address this user
stupid question

when they decide the worth of the comic book the grading houses. what are they going buy to judge the value.


is it overstreet price guide ?

and the turn around days seems off it went from 160 days to 224 that sounds crazy
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