Batman #232 or Green Lantern #7617189
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ticktocktyler private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Which would you own if you could only have one? I think after long, hard thought, mine would be Batman #232. We get a retelling of The Batman's origin plus Robin gets "shot". Ra's Al Ghul connects the dots and figures out who The Batman is. Same could be said about The Joker. The Joker would need a lot of cash plus be connected to some really intelligent people to design and deploy all the Joker stuff he has like the toxins and the gadgets. Green Lantern 76 is good but it's dated. All the "rapping" and "Far Outs" and "Right Ons" get tedious. But it's the official book that dawned the Bronze Age, too. Great cover. Both covers are green but the Batman 232 is sort of a nauseating green. Best to own both books. Both of these are my books.   |
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esaravo private msg quote post Address this user | |
I agree, get both.  |
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DWeeB1967 private msg quote post Address this user | |
I'd be happy to take that "nauseating green" #232 of your hands. Just say the word.  Seriously, this one is tough. I have never owned either of these books but I have considered buying both many times in the past. I always love a first appearance of a relatively well known Batman villain but I think I'm going with the GL #76 tonight. Ask me tomorrow and I may change my answer.  |
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| 232 never cared for 76. | ||
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| I'd have to go with the first appearance book. I love GL, and this is the start of a great run on in the series, but this specific book I've never found to be that special. Coming from someone who counts GL as their favorite hero. I don't even think aspects of the art are nearly as good as some of Adams' other work around the same time. GL's torso and angle of his right arm as well as the transition from his hip to left leg are all a little wonky. Add that to the oddly flat chest...idk, 232 is just better. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by DWeeB1967 They are both good books to own. I own the GL/GA Adams run. Figured if I had 76 better have the rest. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by etapi65 Haha! How about GL's "Pinky Of Death"? That's a really wonky pinky. LOL! |
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Quote:Originally Posted by DrWatson 76 i sort of a "must have" book that you really can live without. But can't. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by esaravo Very nice. I bought a signed 232 facsimile. I can't afford a high grade signed copy at those prices. Same with Bat 251. |
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| So, writing as someone who bought both of those off the stands (local drug store)as a young lad, I can tell you that as good as that Batman story was, GL was this crazy new thing, unlike anything we'd seen before. Yes certainly dated nowadays, I vividly remember the whole series and thinking it can't get better than this. Of course I was wrong, but don't underestimate just how important that book was at the time. | ||
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| Batman just because | ||
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esaravo private msg quote post Address this user | |
| @dennisqdw - I bought that GL #76 a month or two before my 10th birthday. I agree, what might seem dated now was fresh and groundbreaking in 1970. Before then, Batman and Detective Comics would be the first two comics that I would read when I got home from the drug store with my handful of books. That changed with GL #76. | ||
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| I should of pulled a trigger on a double signed batman 232 it was set at low price for it but I was afraid of the taxes with it being shipped from Canada. I would go with batman 232 Price keeps going up on it. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by dennisqdw Oh yes. It's still important. Added reality to the story telling. My 1st GL books were 85 and 86. Didn't get more real than those. Some of the trouble writing brings is writers tend to add the parlance of the day. Watching Star Trek: Discovery and the dialogue Tilly uses is certainly current by today's standards, but I sort of doubt they were talking like that in the year 3000 and 20 years from now, the language used will seem quaint. Like Spock jamming with the hippies on the Enterprise when they were seeking "Eden". Plus, I HIGHLY doubt the Bee Gees were relevant in the year 3000 either. Or house/rap music. |
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I've had both, but I sold my 232's (both of them) and deeply regret it. I still have my GL #76 and wish that's the one I'd sold instead.  |
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| Batman for sure. For me Ras Al Ghul is one those behind the scenes players that make you question what you know. I Don’t care for GL new or old. I’ve tried different eras of GL and can’t get into it. I want to like GL and he should have taken care of that meddling Arrow a long time ago. |
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| The Batman book checks boxes for me that the Green Lantern book does not. Great displayable cover. Introduction of a significant character. The reasons for the value of the Green Lantern book are more subjective...less tangible. | ||
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| The Batman book. But there is spec happening with this book on maybe Ras being in the next movie. If he doesn't and another villain is used then pounce on a copy as it will dip in price. GL is frozen cold and I have to admit I love freezing cold keys as they are bargains to pick up, including multiples. I think GL is a long term not influenced by a movie investment including Neals other classic covers. Superman 233 and Batman 241. I have multiples of the supes and only one not so good Bat 241 which is a book I need to pull my finger out and hunt it down |
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| I want to weigh in on this but I'm not at all certain I can be brief. These two books appeal to either an entirely different set of collectors - or to collectors in entirely different ways. Green Lantern 76 - and the rest of the Adams/O'Neil run - are truly historic comics. They won every award possible and DC claims they are the most reprinted books of all time. Judged by todays standards, they can come off a bit corny and self indulgent. Judged by the standards of the day, these were all new, all different and unheard of. Two major new trends set here that became industry standard. First is the "reality" based comic - events and stories taken from the newspaper headlines of the day. GL/GA took - head on - real world problems of drugs poverty, prejudice, corrupt politicians and more. Second is the idea of the hero actually changing. Even Marvel and Stan with all the drama - ultimately the heroes stayed pretty much the same. Spider-Man went through shit, yes. His personal life often wanting. But fundamentally, Peter remained the same guy. Green Lantern went from an intergalatic boy scout - chosen by the ring because he was fearless and noble - to a super hero grappling with the fact that corruption, prejudice and poverty - often a result of people at the top - were all around and he had been too busy fighting lizards on other worlds to even notice. Green Lantern got woke and he had a story arc that left him a FUNDEMENTALLY different person. Green Lantern 76 - like other DC keys from this time period - is also extremely scarce in high grade. There are 2 in 9.8. 24 in 9.6 and 53 in 9.4. For Batman 232, it's 65 in 9.8, 132 in 9.6 and 185 in 9.4. A Marvel Key from this period - lets say Conan 1 - had far more high grade copies still 82/208/367 Why did DC do what they did with GL? According to Carmine Infantino, sales were sucky. Corporate wanted to cancel the book. But Carmine said "let me try something different". So GL 76 is going to appeal more to the collector that is very much invested into the HISTORY of comic books. Plus collectors interested in scarcity - at least in NM or better grades. GL 76 isn't particularly had to find in middle and low grades. Batman is one of the elite characters in terms of popularity. More people know who Bruce Wayne is then who is the current President of the USA. Batman 232 is one of just a few issues from this time period that introduces a new and important villain. Batman has arguably the best rogues gallery of any costumed crime fighter and Ras was a worthy and notable addition. So if you collect Batman - and a legion of collectors do - then this is an important first appearance of a Rogue's gallery character. One that you could argue isn't getting as much due as it should. My answer is own both. But if prioritizing purchases, I personally would be looking first for GL 76 in 9.0 or better. If I was looking for the best investment, it's hard to say. Scarcity especially doesn't seem to be getting the attention it should - it's all about movies and first appearances. If the hobby's focus remains as it is, Batman 232 may appreciate more. If comic collecting - like other hobbies - comes to value more that which is most rare - then maybe GL 76. My best guess is Batman 232 has a better chance of being the book that appreciates the most. |
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| @IronMan I think your in-depth analysis is spot on and well presented, as usual. The Green Lantern book has deep roots with the "don't trust anyone over 40" generation...which is now, ironically, the over 50 generation. While the Batman book has roots that are broader, but less deep. As far as value, I would expect the Green Lantern book to remain relatively stagnant at grades below 9.0. There is nothing specific to that book that can act as an accelerant for demand based on some future development in movies or otherwise. I don't see the demand growing much beyond the current enthusiasts. The shortage of supply that you point out is important. We could see 9.0 and above growing in price just based on lack of supply while the lower grades remain stagnant. On the other hand, the character introduced in the Batman book, as mentioned by @HulkSmash, could go beyond Batman and be a major figure in the DC Universe in many ways. He's kind like the Hydra of the Marvel Universe in that regard. | ||
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| Personally, I would go for both but probably prioritize getting Batman #232 said first. As others have stated, Green Lantern books are easier to acquire right now in terms of cost and I haven't seen much traction on anything GL. When I go to the shops, GL books are pretty much the same price they were compared to a few years ago. I already own Batman #232, so I would go for the Green Lantern #76. However, I'm glad I picked up the #232 first. | ||
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The book I would LIKE to get and have stupidly overlooked is Batman 235. I never dug the cover much but it IS the second appearance of Ra's Al Ghul. It's spendy and hard to find in higher grades. Also hard to find well centered copies. Many of them in EBay are pretty beat. One 8.5 is really off center. |
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| I come from the position of owning both, although neither is high grade. For me, @IronMan is absolutely on point with his analysis. From a historical perspective the GL76 is THE turning point. It may be the most historically important book I own because of all that surrounds it. From a financial perspective, I think there is more upside to the Bat 232. We watched Green Arrow play out over eight seasons with Stephen Amell - so not likely to get much more out of that character. Green Lantern movie sucked and MIGHT come back in some DC movie down the road. We did see Ras with Christian Bale and again in the GA TV show, but still has the possibility that he might return again. So much more possibility there. Just my .02. PDG |
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Quote:Originally Posted by PDGray Those are good observations. What can you really do with Green Arrow before the wall is hit? I felt like that with the Avengers and Black Widow. Everyone is fighting the aliens and Black Widow is there with a pistol. As a boy, I liked Green Lantern quite a bit. Loved Batman. But I was lucky enough to get on Bat board commencing with Bat 244. My father bought the hardcover Batman 30's-70's and that had the story from 'Tec 395 in it as the opener for the 70's part. I couldn't have asked for better timing. But it sort of set me up for failure because I based all things Bat on O'Neil's writing and Adams art. I haven't liked any of the movies. I loved DKR and had high hopes they would continue in that vein and they HAVE to a degree but the stories aren't as "smart". In other words, they are horror stories more than "smart" stories. They tend to leave out the scientist and detective aspects and go on blind luck or brute force. Just my take, of course. There are examples sprinkled throughout the years like the Marshall books and so forth. Bat 232 is nearly a perfect read. Haha. I still remember the dialogue from when I was a kid. Something like "It's always the same. Someone always tries to prove their manhood by pulling a gun on me. Then I prove mine by taking it away from them." Paraphrasing but appropo. I have had a 9.0, a 9.4 signed by Adams and Giordano and now a 9.6. I never pursued a signed copy by O'Neil. His sig always reminded me of a barbed wire sample and he wasn't careful where he applied his signature. |
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| I stupidly sold my Batman 232 in CGC 8.0 signed by both Denny and Neal in 2016. It is one I regret selling and hence why I want it back in my collection. I went to a recent show in New Jersey and no one had it for sale. I couldn't find a raw or a graded copy on that show. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by SpiderTim I feel your pain. One of the sales I would undo if I could. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by SpiderTim I feel your despair. I sold my 9.4 signed by Giordano and The Neal. Soon as the mail clerk klunked it in the basket I regretted it. But a deal is a deal. The prices for the signed copies have gone through the roof. I bought a facsimile edition signed and feel good about it. Same with 251. I sold an 8.0 raw in 1988 for $35. The dude tried chipping me down to $20. I silently stood up, collected the books and headed for the front door of the LCS. He called me back and I got my $35 plus what I wanted for the other books. It's a great position to be in when we don't give the fuzzy crack of a rat's ass if we sell them or not. When I returned to collecting in 2001, I bought a Batman #9 in 8.0 to replace the one which my 1st wife delivered a 3 inch rip through the spine. Ass. Then, I began collecting the GL/GA Adams run which I had always wanted since I was a kid. Then I went after the Bat Neal stuff. Very fulfilling and I didn't need hundreds of long boxes laying around the house. I have my 9.6 unsigned graded copy. My personal feeling is a book that high grade should not be written on. My pet peeve are the high grade 232's and 227's that some lunk has Adams draw all over. Ya nuts? Hand him a 7.5 or less. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by dennisqdw Agreed. I bought both of these brand-new. Lost in the mists of time ... |
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