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Everything relating to what happened to the package is speculative. Lost, stolen, still en-route? Who knows.

From the above none of this is a CGC matter other than the insured value payout being passed along to the customer.

As for UPS directly helping, good luck. I can’t see anything more than a payout to CGC and perhaps the standard investigation depending on where they lost track. They won’t take responsibility on dollar value beyond the amount insured.

They lost a boat of mine in transit. A boat. Roughly 100 pounds, very large box, boat. They opened an investigation. Seller had orchestrated the shipping so I simply received a replacement.

Sorry to hear about the crappy outcome but it sometimes pays to read the terms.


Read my about post and last update UPS is claiming my package never left from cgc headqaurters.
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@Mmanick I see that. Head spinning from the changing storyline.

Once you’ve documented your issue it may make sense to let the dust settle for a few days and then try the relevant parties again.
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@Mmanick I see that. Head spinning from the changing storyline.

Once you’ve documented your issue it may make sense to let the dust settle for a few days and then try the relevant parties again.
exactly how I felt when the manager told me that and now when I call cgc the manager won’t even speak to me.
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**update: Spoke to shipping manager from UPS and in his investigation hes telling me the package has never left the CGC in Sarasota FL they concluded that the package is lost somewhere in cgc's warehouse or vault. called to talk with cgc and still cant get a hold of a supervisor.


Hmm. So someone at UPS is claiming someone at CGC managed to hack the tracking system and enter false info stating the package was delayed in Bakersfield.
Nope.
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**update: Spoke to shipping manager from UPS and in his investigation hes telling me the package has never left the CGC in Sarasota FL they concluded that the package is lost somewhere in cgc's warehouse or vault. called to talk with cgc and still cant get a hold of a supervisor.


Hmm. So someone at UPS is claiming someone at CGC managed to hack the tracking system and enter false info stating the package was delayed in Bakersfield.
Nope.


Yup - would be curious what the tracking says.

Btw - so it took CGC 1 week to grade and ship the book. That must be a record

OP - hope you get your book.
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I sincerely hope it shows up. Keep checking the tracking data of the package. Offer to insure it for its true value if you still can, or provide your own shipping account if you can.

Honestly, I think we are all pulling for you. None of us in the hobby want to see anyone else ripped off or robbed. GOOD LUCK!!


PDG


Seems kind of shady to try to change the shipping option after the book has shipped/lost, or to even insure it for a higher amount after it went missing.
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I sincerely hope it shows up. Keep checking the tracking data of the package. Offer to insure it for its true value if you still can, or provide your own shipping account if you can.

Honestly, I think we are all pulling for you. None of us in the hobby want to see anyone else ripped off or robbed. GOOD LUCK!!


PDG


Seems kind of shady to try to change the shipping option after the book has shipped/lost, or to even insure it for a higher amount after it went missing.


Not shady.

He hasn't received the slab and if he can protect himself from being ripped off by adding insurance at FMV (per GPA), he should do so ASAP.
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@Mmanick I see that. Head spinning from the changing storyline.

Once you’ve documented your issue it may make sense to let the dust settle for a few days and then try the relevant parties again.
exactly how I felt when the manager told me that and now when I call cgc the manager won’t even speak to me.


Keep trying, the manager may have been out of the office or busy when you called.

What did the CGC customer service rep tell you when you asked to speak with a manager?
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Hello, my name is Stu and I'm a shill. HexView private msg quote post Address this user
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It sounds like CGC didn't pay for additional insurance for the shipment, so the minimum of $100 that's included for every package shipping through UPS would apply. CGC should've insured it for the value you placed on your submission form. I know most grading companies, both for cards and comics, indicate the return shipping cost based on the insured value. [/b]


For domestic US return shipments via USPS Mail, CGC will purchase insurance on Customer’s behalf based on Customer’s declared values, up to $100,000 per package. The CCG Companies cannot provide or procure insurance for international return shipments to Customer.

UPS Ground
Maximum insurance value of $100 per package unless providing your own shipping carrier account number and insurance.


It looks like it only applies if shipped via USPS Mail, not UPS which is how the OP package was sent. Their shipping policy is clearly stated on their Return Shipping page.


The OP is out of luck, sorry to say. CGC clearly states when you select the return shipping service that you need to have your own shipping insurance if you use UPS or FedEx for return shipping. That UPS and FedEx packages are only insured for $100.

If you want full insured value on your package being returned to you, the only choice is USPS Registered mail.

The OP will get a check for $100 for the missing book from UPS (unless it shows up - fingers crossed). And this is not the first time packages have gone missing shipping UPS and FedEx. There is a long, long history of posts in the CGC forums from frantic collectors that did not realize UPS/FedEX shipments only have $100 of insurance. People have lost books worth tens of thousands of dollars.


Ah, I didn't know the OP went with the cheapest shipping option from UPS....that changes the lengthy reply to him which I just posted a minute ago.

Been a while since I subbed to CGC but coulda sworn the last time I did there were more shipping options available to get more than just $100 in coverage.
There were, this changed in January iirc.
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I sincerely hope it shows up. Keep checking the tracking data of the package. Offer to insure it for its true value if you still can, or provide your own shipping account if you can.

Honestly, I think we are all pulling for you. None of us in the hobby want to see anyone else ripped off or robbed. GOOD LUCK!!


PDG


Seems kind of shady to try to change the shipping option after the book has shipped/lost, or to even insure it for a higher amount after it went missing.


Not shady.

He hasn't received the slab and if he can protect himself from being ripped off by adding insurance at FMV (per GPA), he should do so ASAP.


If someone involved already has it on record as being lost, I'd think this would be questionable.
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I sincerely hope it shows up. Keep checking the tracking data of the package. Offer to insure it for its true value if you still can, or provide your own shipping account if you can.

Honestly, I think we are all pulling for you. None of us in the hobby want to see anyone else ripped off or robbed. GOOD LUCK!!


PDG


Seems kind of shady to try to change the shipping option after the book has shipped/lost, or to even insure it for a higher amount after it went missing.


Not shady.

He hasn't received the slab and if he can protect himself from being ripped off by adding insurance at FMV (per GPA), he should do so ASAP.


Yeah it is shady. He paid for shipping that included $100 insurance, and now that it's possibly lost/stolen/whatever, you're suggesting he try to increase the insurance amount so he can get a bigger payout? Not only is it shady, but seriously lacking in integrity. I guess you don't see anything wrong with that.
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I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this. GAC private msg quote post Address this user
UPS wouldn't even entertain the thought.
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Read my about post and last update UPS is claiming my package never left from cgc headqaurters.


Looking at the tracking on the book, it looks like they paid out the claim and your book may still be on the way. It seems that UPS may have mislead you about the book still being at CGC.


03/23/2022
7:20 P.M. On the Way
We were unable to dispatch the trailer on time. This may cause a delay.
San Pablo, CA, United States
03/21/2022
6:56 P.M. Claim in Progress
A claim has been issued to the sender for your package. Please contact the sender for more information.
Ceres, CA, United States
03/15/2022
1:19 P.M. An investigation has been opened for your lost package.
Ceres, CA, United States
03/08/2022
7:01 P.M. A late UPS trailer arrival has caused a delay. We're adjusting plans to deliver your package as quickly as possible. / Delivery will be delayed by one business day.
Bakersfield, CA, United States
03/04/2022
5:48 A.M. Arrived at Facility
Jacksonville, FL, United States
03/04/2022
1:05 A.M. Departed from Facility
Sarasota, FL, United States
03/03/2022
10:00 P.M. Origin Scan
Sarasota, FL, United States
03/03/2022
9:10 A.M. Label Created
Shipper created a label, UPS has not received the package yet.
United States
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Read my about post and last update UPS is claiming my package never left from cgc headqaurters.


Looking at the tracking on the book, it looks like they paid out the claim and your book may still be on the way. It seems that UPS may have mislead you about the book still being at CGC.


03/23/2022
7:20 P.M. On the Way
We were unable to dispatch the trailer on time. This may cause a delay.
San Pablo, CA, United States
03/21/2022
6:56 P.M. Claim in Progress
A claim has been issued to the sender for your package. Please contact the sender for more information.
Ceres, CA, United States
03/15/2022
1:19 P.M. An investigation has been opened for your lost package.
Ceres, CA, United States
03/08/2022
7:01 P.M. A late UPS trailer arrival has caused a delay. We're adjusting plans to deliver your package as quickly as possible. / Delivery will be delayed by one business day.
Bakersfield, CA, United States
03/04/2022
5:48 A.M. Arrived at Facility
Jacksonville, FL, United States
03/04/2022
1:05 A.M. Departed from Facility
Sarasota, FL, United States
03/03/2022
10:00 P.M. Origin Scan
Sarasota, FL, United States
03/03/2022
9:10 A.M. Label Created
Shipper created a label, UPS has not received the package yet.
United States
I’ll call tomorrow and figure it out. I’ve been told before the scans don’t always represent where the actual package is at.
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Where's his Bat-package? Byrdibyrd private msg quote post Address this user
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I’ve been told before the scans don’t always represent where the actual package is at.

Good night. Like I needed another reason to not use UPS.
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Read my about post and last update UPS is claiming my package never left from cgc headqaurters.


Looking at the tracking on the book, it looks like they paid out the claim and your book may still be on the way. It seems that UPS may have mislead you about the book still being at CGC.


03/23/2022
7:20 P.M. On the Way
We were unable to dispatch the trailer on time. This may cause a delay.
San Pablo, CA, United States
03/21/2022
6:56 P.M. Claim in Progress
A claim has been issued to the sender for your package. Please contact the sender for more information.
Ceres, CA, United States
03/15/2022
1:19 P.M. An investigation has been opened for your lost package.
Ceres, CA, United States
03/08/2022
7:01 P.M. A late UPS trailer arrival has caused a delay. We're adjusting plans to deliver your package as quickly as possible. / Delivery will be delayed by one business day.
Bakersfield, CA, United States
03/04/2022
5:48 A.M. Arrived at Facility
Jacksonville, FL, United States
03/04/2022
1:05 A.M. Departed from Facility
Sarasota, FL, United States
03/03/2022
10:00 P.M. Origin Scan
Sarasota, FL, United States
03/03/2022
9:10 A.M. Label Created
Shipper created a label, UPS has not received the package yet.
United States


Looking through that shipment info gave me PTSD of what happened to my UF4.

@mmanick I am rooting for you to get your book back. Whether the book is $5 or $5,000, the book is yours
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Read my about post and last update UPS is claiming my package never left from cgc headqaurters.


Looking at the tracking on the book, it looks like they paid out the claim and your book may still be on the way. It seems that UPS may have mislead you about the book still being at CGC.


03/23/2022
7:20 P.M. On the Way
We were unable to dispatch the trailer on time. This may cause a delay.
San Pablo, CA, United States
03/21/2022
6:56 P.M. Claim in Progress
A claim has been issued to the sender for your package. Please contact the sender for more information.
Ceres, CA, United States
03/15/2022
1:19 P.M. An investigation has been opened for your lost package.
Ceres, CA, United States
03/08/2022
7:01 P.M. A late UPS trailer arrival has caused a delay. We're adjusting plans to deliver your package as quickly as possible. / Delivery will be delayed by one business day.
Bakersfield, CA, United States
03/04/2022
5:48 A.M. Arrived at Facility
Jacksonville, FL, United States
03/04/2022
1:05 A.M. Departed from Facility
Sarasota, FL, United States
03/03/2022
10:00 P.M. Origin Scan
Sarasota, FL, United States
03/03/2022
9:10 A.M. Label Created
Shipper created a label, UPS has not received the package yet.
United States


Looking through that shipment info gave me PTSD of what happened to my UF4.

@mmanick I am rooting for you to get your book back. Whether the book is $5 or $5,000, the book is yours

Thanks bro. I'm glad someone is seems thier are so many haters right now.
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@Mmanick I'm holding out hope that you will still get the book. It's not unheard of that something gets lost in the system for a while and then shows up again. Good luck!
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@Mmanick I'm holding out hope that you will still get the book. It's not unheard of that something gets lost in the system for a while and then shows up again. Good luck!
thanks I’m hoping for the best as well
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UPDATE: Thanks to a very generous CGC board member and Amiri the shipping manager from CGC my package/ shipping container may have actually been found . The tracking now reads out for delivery and I don't believe its an automated update. Thanks to all who helped support me in the whole fiasco. If package arrives pics to follow
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I'd like to say I still turned out alright, but that would be a lie. flanders private msg quote post Address this user
@Mmanick great news! Did you ask to ship usps and add insurance?
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"Forum Overlord" bah ha ha ha... JustThatGuy private msg quote post Address this user
Wooooooot wooooooot
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@Mmanick Outstanding!!! Let's hope it's for certain!
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@Mmanick great news! Did you ask to ship usps and add insurance?


I didn't have a chance for that as the last few tracking updates were in my local area. I tried to see if I could pick the package but was told to stand by as it could have been automated updates. So, now its popped up out for delivery. fingers crossed we get it.
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Where's his Bat-package? Byrdibyrd private msg quote post Address this user
That is fantastic!!! I'm so sorry you had to go through all that stress, but it sounds like you'll have your books soon.

Please post some pics!
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Awesome news!
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Hope you're gazing at your book[s]
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