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I have got to stick up for my friend Don here.

I have had many conversations and dinners with this incredibly talented man.

He is always super nice to me, loves comics more than most people and, yes, hates certification.

He gets a bit depressed at U.S. cons since he does not get huge attention that he gets when he goes outside the country. Most of the world considers him a super star, so it's tough on him when he has a slow show.

I have also never heard him say anything bad about the fans, which to me says a lot.

Just my humble opinion of Don.


Honestly, I really have a high opinion of my time with Mr. Rosa. He was extremely courteous and kind. Essentially, as I understood him, he was against certifying, grading, or otherwise casing a comic book because he feels like they were intended to be read - not bound up in a plastic case.

Honestly, I felt the same way until the last few years. I have started getting some of my books graded or have bought graded copies in order to protect them and clue my wife and kids that the books might hold some significance. They would be a "quick flip" as it were if something happened to me and they needed to sell.


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I have got to stick up for my friend Don here.

I have had many conversations and dinners with this incredibly talented man.

He is always super nice to me, loves comics more than most people and, yes, hates certification.

He gets a bit depressed at U.S. cons since he does not get huge attention that he gets when he goes outside the country. Most of the world considers him a super star, so it's tough on him when he has a slow show.

I have also never heard him say anything bad about the fans, which to me says a lot.

Just my humble opinion of Don.

He's still grumpy, or maybe the term is brusque.
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I put a premium on Pedigrees personally and have some although I don’t seek to have one example from every pedigree currently.

I have some from Mr. Rosa’s collection, but I got this for my wife at a convention we were both at.


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He's still grumpy, or maybe the term is brusque.


Forum members in good standing are brusque, anyone else is grumpy.
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@PDGray thanks! Yes Cosmic Aeroplanes are one of the more affordable Pedigrees (not cheap, but not Church or Promise territory)and many nice copies in the collection
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Ok, so I get that there are ~61 recognized pedigrees with CGC. Are there any that CBCS recognizes that CGC does not? Or any that CGC recognizes that CBCS does not?

I am a relative newb to pedigree collections and would like to aim to get a book or two from each pedigree. Other than that I have been a collector for close to 50 years. My collection goes back to almost 1940.



PDG


Late to the discussion but I've been digging into this topic as well the last few months. I'd like to build a database of collections and pedigrees since no one seems to agree on which is which and gather as much data as I can. It's out there, but it's spread out quite a bit. I haven't found anyone who's willing to share what they have yet but I will continue to track down the resellers as I assume they have the most complete information.

Let me know if you want to collaborate. I can share the spreadsheet I'm using and maybe we can crowdsource or you can just use it for your own collection. Aside from owning them, I'd really like to get some raw copies with certificates certified to add to the ecosystem. I'm curious what my success rate would be.
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Originally Posted by PDGray
Ok, so I get that there are ~61 recognized pedigrees with CGC. Are there any that CBCS recognizes that CGC does not? Or any that CGC recognizes that CBCS does not?

I am a relative newb to pedigree collections and would like to aim to get a book or two from each pedigree. Other than that I have been a collector for close to 50 years. My collection goes back to almost 1940.



PDG


Late to the discussion but I've been digging into this topic as well the last few months. I'd like to build a database of collections and pedigrees since no one seems to agree on which is which and gather as much data as I can. It's out there, but it's spread out quite a bit. I haven't found anyone who's willing to share what they have yet but I will continue to track down the resellers as I assume they have the most complete information.

Let me know if you want to collaborate. I can share the spreadsheet I'm using and maybe we can crowdsource or you can just use it for your own collection. Aside from owning them, I'd really like to get some raw copies with certificates certified to add to the ecosystem. I'm curious what my success rate would be.


I'll save you some work http://comicpedigrees.com/
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I'll save you some work http://comicpedigrees.com/


I'm familiar with that site and I've exchanged emails with Matt Nelson. He was generous with his time but wasn't able to share any of the raw data I was looking for. I know he's working on a book so I'd understand if he considered it work product. The excerpts he has posted of the book are pretty incredible and when and if it's published I think it will probably be the best source of info for the CGC recognized books but I'd like to include more than that including collections sold by resellers and/or recognized by CBCS. In my mind the only "true" pedigrees are the ones that pre-date CGC (about 10 or so) but as a collector I'm still interested in all the rest.
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I feel that, beyond the ones listed on the comicpedigrees site, there is not enough there to garner major interest in those collections hence the lack of data.

The other problem is there are just too many - White Rose, Cleveland, PA Dutch, Tongie Farms, Detroit Trolley, Sid's Luncheonette, Pinnacle Hill, IRS - to name a few off the top of my head. I think they name these collections to create some hype and make some extra $$ - not necessarily for provenance purposes.
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@Brash He's been working on that book for twenty years.
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Originally Posted by the420bandito
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Originally Posted by Brash
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Originally Posted by PDGray
Ok, so I get that there are ~61 recognized pedigrees with CGC. Are there any that CBCS recognizes that CGC does not? Or any that CGC recognizes that CBCS does not?

I am a relative newb to pedigree collections and would like to aim to get a book or two from each pedigree. Other than that I have been a collector for close to 50 years. My collection goes back to almost 1940.



PDG


Late to the discussion but I've been digging into this topic as well the last few months. I'd like to build a database of collections and pedigrees since no one seems to agree on which is which and gather as much data as I can. It's out there, but it's spread out quite a bit. I haven't found anyone who's willing to share what they have yet but I will continue to track down the resellers as I assume they have the most complete information.

Let me know if you want to collaborate. I can share the spreadsheet I'm using and maybe we can crowdsource or you can just use it for your own collection. Aside from owning them, I'd really like to get some raw copies with certificates certified to add to the ecosystem. I'm curious what my success rate would be.


I'll save you some work http://comicpedigrees.com/


https://www.cgccomics.com/resources/pedigree/
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I feel that, beyond the ones listed on the comicpedigrees site, there is not enough there to garner major interest in those collections hence the lack of data.

The other problem is there are just too many - White Rose, Cleveland, PA Dutch, Tongie Farms, Detroit Trolley, Sid's Luncheonette, Pinnacle Hill, IRS - to name a few off the top of my head. I think they name these collections to create some hype and make some extra $$ - not necessarily for provenance purposes.


I hear what you're saying and I don't really disagree, but it's all supply and demand at the end of the day. If collectors find them interesting then they're worth what they pay for them. I just think the whole concept is kind of cool and the uniqueness of a book from a specific collection with some history attached really appeals to me. For the most part I wouldn't pay a huge premium over a equivalent copy (except for the rarer and more universally recognized pedigrees) but it's really expanded the genres and types of comics I've started collecting so for me it's been a great way to collect.
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I'll save you some work http://comicpedigrees.com/


Is that site maintained anymore? The last upload was about a year ago. Seems it could be a fantastic resource for both researching the collections, but also a fantastic marketplace specifically for pedigree only books.
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I'll save you some work http://comicpedigrees.com/


Is that site maintained anymore? The last upload was about a year ago. Seems it could be a fantastic resource for both researching the collections, but also a fantastic marketplace specifically for pedigree only books.
I think Matt is a little busy being the president of CGC 😉
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Ok, so I get that there are ~61 recognized pedigrees with CGC. Are there any that CBCS recognizes that CGC does not? Or any that CGC recognizes that CBCS does not?

I am a relative newb to pedigree collections and would like to aim to get a book or two from each pedigree. Other than that I have been a collector for close to 50 years. My collection goes back to almost 1940.



PDG


Late to the discussion but I've been digging into this topic as well the last few months. I'd like to build a database of collections and pedigrees since no one seems to agree on which is which and gather as much data as I can. It's out there, but it's spread out quite a bit. I haven't found anyone who's willing to share what they have yet but I will continue to track down the resellers as I assume they have the most complete information.

Let me know if you want to collaborate. I can share the spreadsheet I'm using and maybe we can crowdsource or you can just use it for your own collection. Aside from owning them, I'd really like to get some raw copies with certificates certified to add to the ecosystem. I'm curious what my success rate would be.


@Brash - I am glad to share what little bit I have. I think I have examples from 12-14 of the 61 that CGC recognizes. It's not much to contribute, but I want to learn all I can too!!


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Ok, so I get that there are ~61 recognized pedigrees with CGC. Are there any that CBCS recognizes that CGC does not? Or any that CGC recognizes that CBCS does not?

I am a relative newb to pedigree collections and would like to aim to get a book or two from each pedigree. Other than that I have been a collector for close to 50 years. My collection goes back to almost 1940.



PDG


Late to the discussion but I've been digging into this topic as well the last few months. I'd like to build a database of collections and pedigrees since no one seems to agree on which is which and gather as much data as I can. It's out there, but it's spread out quite a bit. I haven't found anyone who's willing to share what they have yet but I will continue to track down the resellers as I assume they have the most complete information.

Let me know if you want to collaborate. I can share the spreadsheet I'm using and maybe we can crowdsource or you can just use it for your own collection. Aside from owning them, I'd really like to get some raw copies with certificates certified to add to the ecosystem. I'm curious what my success rate would be.


@Brash - I am glad to share what little bit I have. I think I have examples from 12-14 of the 61 that CGC recognizes. It's not much to contribute, but I want to learn all I can too!!


PDG

If you need examples:

http://comicpedigrees.com/showcase.php
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Originally Posted by Brash
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Originally Posted by PDGray
Ok, so I get that there are ~61 recognized pedigrees with CGC. Are there any that CBCS recognizes that CGC does not? Or any that CGC recognizes that CBCS does not?

I am a relative newb to pedigree collections and would like to aim to get a book or two from each pedigree. Other than that I have been a collector for close to 50 years. My collection goes back to almost 1940.



PDG


Late to the discussion but I've been digging into this topic as well the last few months. I'd like to build a database of collections and pedigrees since no one seems to agree on which is which and gather as much data as I can. It's out there, but it's spread out quite a bit. I haven't found anyone who's willing to share what they have yet but I will continue to track down the resellers as I assume they have the most complete information.

Let me know if you want to collaborate. I can share the spreadsheet I'm using and maybe we can crowdsource or you can just use it for your own collection. Aside from owning them, I'd really like to get some raw copies with certificates certified to add to the ecosystem. I'm curious what my success rate would be.


@Brash - I am glad to share what little bit I have. I think I have examples from 12-14 of the 61 that CGC recognizes. It's not much to contribute, but I want to learn all I can too!!


PDG

If you need examples:

http://comicpedigrees.com/showcase.php


Last time I uploaded a book on that site was 2013
I was in the top 20 contributors.
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Many of these are not pedigree certificates... but are certificates from collections.
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I dont have many pedigree books as the prices generally disourage me, but I managed to snag a few here and there. Imagine having a White mountain someone used for scratch paper!




I have one pedigree I should get slabbed and verified but I am unsure if its square enough to even slab.



Lose Cosmic Aeroplane copy
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@Darkseid_of_town oye I have a Crippen book with a terrible mis-cut. Raw for life unfortunately.

I guess you could measure the book length and if it would fit the inner well dimensions.
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Absolutely LOVE the replies and discussion! And the books...oh the fantastic books in this thread!

If you have more - show 'em off please!!!



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Twin cities pedigree certificate.




A run of TTA pedigrees.

Big apple, Boston, Don/Maggie Thompson, mile high 2, Northland, Oakland, Rocky Mountain, Savannah, Susha News, Twin Cities, Western Penn, Winnipeg and White Mountain.

Paid no premium as they are only Silver age and we're bought for the same price as a non pedigree over 10 years plus ago.
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And a couple of more pedigrees and from the collection of books.
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Not a run but something similar… pedigrees of a single book. One of the first childhood books I remember reading from my brother’s collection. (I think I have some others and copies from various collections as well.)
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Not a run but something similar… pedigrees of a single book. One of the first childhood books I remember reading from my brother’s collection. (I think I have some others and copies from various collections as well.)


That's actually kind of incredible. Well done.
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Not a run but something similar… pedigrees of a single book. One of the first childhood books I remember reading from my brother’s collection. (I think I have some others and copies from various collections as well.)







Wow, that is pretty incredible!!!



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I would like a pedigree copy of Fantastic Four 186, but most pedigrees don't reach that far into the Bronze age.
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I would like a pedigree copy of Fantastic Four 186, but most pedigrees don't reach that far into the Bronze age.


Most don't but there have to be a few out there. Maybe the Winnipeg, Savannah, or Don Rosa?



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@PDGray thanks! Yes Cosmic Aeroplanes are one of the more affordable Pedigrees (not cheap, but not Church or Promise territory)and many nice copies in the collection


@Sagii Interestingly, since I have gotten into chasing some of the pedigrees I have managed to pick up a Church book and a Promise book. The Cosmic Aeroplane books I have seen available have been out of my league. Admittedly though, I have lower end Church and Promise books, which is all that I really wanted. Nice books to be sure, both are graded 9.0, but they are Westerns, which don't seem to be all in demand. That much makes it nice for me to pick up reasonable examples cheaply.


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Now, back to my original question.

I have a list of the 61 recognized CGC pedigrees, Plus the Mile High II collection. What are the other collections/pedigrees that CBCS recognizes that CGC doesn't? Or vice versa?

The list per CGC is:

Allentown
Aurora
Bethlehem
Big Apple
Billy Wright
Boston
Bowling Green
Carson City
Central Valley
Chicago
Chinatown
Circle 8
Cookeville
Cosmic Aeroplane
Crowley
Curator
Davis Crippen "D"
Denver
Don Rosa
Don/Maggie Thompson
Edgar Church/Mile High
Eldon
Gaines
Green River
Haight-Ashbury
Harold Curtis
Hawkeye
John G. Fantucchio
Kansas City
Larson
Lost Valley
Mass Copy
Mile High II
Mohawk Valley
Murphy Anderson File Copy
New Hampshire
Northford
Northland
Nova Scotia
Oakland
Ohio
Okajima
Pacific Coast
Palo Alto
Pennsylvania
Promise
Recil Macon
River City
Rockford
Rocky Mountain
Salida
San Francisco/Tom Reilly
Savannah
Spokana
Suscha News
Twilight
Twin Cities
Vancouver
Western Penn
White Mountain
Windy City
Winnipeg


What am I missing? Is there a list here on the CBCS forum?

Anyone??



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