Removing rust stains on paper?1684
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shrewbeer private msg quote post Address this user | |
| So if I have it correct, restoration is ADDING something to a book to enhance its value, but removing such as cleaning is not restoration. That said, if one has rust spots on paper that do not go all the way through, would it not be worth it to even have to grind away a bit at the paper in order to remove? The cleaning and pressing guys I have talked to won't touch it. Any ideas? These pictures are two different books, decent value, so would Be worth getting rid of this   |
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| Cleaning (using liquids) = restoration (dry) cleaning (no liquids) = conservation You may be able to dry clean but not something I would do myself |
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| Dry cleaning rarely helps rust. I would imagine that has migrated through the paper and cannot be removed. | ||
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shrewbeer private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I guess my point is that because it does not go through the paper, it can be removed (although removal of paper would be required). So what is better: a book with rust spots or a book with small indentations where the paper is thinner due to removal? |
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CFP_Comics private msg quote post Address this user | |
| It can be improved, if it has not migrated. | ||
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Tedsaid private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Maybe just paint over the rust? No, no - I kid. :-) |
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Foghorn_Sam private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Leave it as is; reduces grade and value, adds character. | ||
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VillageIdiot private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Rust is permanent. One of THE worst faults a book of any kind can possess. Hence why they get pounded in grading. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by VillageIdiot I don't know about that. I think I'd rather have rust than loose / detached pages. Or ball-point scribbles on the cover. And color fades... I hate the look of a bleached out, browning comic. A few specks of rust wouldn't really bother me. Or maybe you could use a laser to get rid of the rust? --> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hEVHSJApNg |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Tedsaid The laser does seem effective I'll give it that... |
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| I'll try out that laser and let you know how it goes, great idea. @villageidiot it actually does not count against grading that badly. I've seen old GA books with spots yet still in the 7s and plenty of themin the 6s. I would imagine one would need to use that laser to crack the 8-9s  |
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@CFP_Comics by the way one of these books is sitting in your to-do pile for a clean and press. Its got plenty of other defects that I think your magic will work on   |
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Quote:Originally Posted by shrewbeer There's a difference between foxing and rust. Rust DOES count against the grade immensely, foxing not so much. What your seeing on those GA books is foxing, not rust. |
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shrewbeer private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I thought foxing was more blotchy and lighter colored (this stuff you can feel with your finger). Although you may be correct as the graders notes on one of them does mention foxing but does not mention rust... |
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I believe foxing is dead mildew. If that's the case, maybe I'll try to find a worthless old book that has it and see what a damp Q-tip does  |
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| Foxing is hit pretty hard. Rust migration and staining is hit very hard. Whoever can figure out a way to remove foxing is going to be a very rich person. | ||
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| Huh ... I just had a look at the wikipedia page for foxing. They say you can get rid of it, with "greater or lesser success," by using certain bleaches, diluted hydrogen peroxide, and - get this - lasers. I guess I wasn't being so tongue-in-cheek after all. |
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where do I get one of those bigass lasers...  |
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Quote:Originally Posted by TedsaidUnfortunately all those would be considered restorative. The laser (depending on wavelength) could just be destructive. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by CFP_Comics The good news is, we got rid of ALL the foxing, every last bit. The bad news is, um ... well, the comics are gone, too. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Tedsaid If you want a restored book, go for it! |
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Foghorn_Sam private msg quote post Address this user | |
Get ya one of these, all these problems solved!  |
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Is this foxing? If not, what is it? Can it be fixed? How bad does it affect grade?     |
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| I'd say dust shadow and/or oxidation. http://comicbookgraphicdesign.com/comic-book-terms-dust-shadow/ http://www.ccspaper.com/feature_terminology.php |
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shrewbeer private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Common oxidation. Sun/dust shadow usually clearly outlines the book that was on top of it. I would expect page quality is off-white or less on that book, otherwise I wouldnt expect this to affect the grade |
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AndyRexia private msg quote post Address this user | |
| @CFP_Comics would a clean do anything for this Daredevil book? | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by AndyRexia Looks like a combination of dust shadows and tanning. If you open the book and look at the inside part of the cover does it appear darker? If so that is tanning and it will take a hit on the grade. Same for the dust shadows, but not as severe. Cleaning will help get off dirt and what is on the surface. If it does improve it, the difference will hardly be negligible. |
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| Ok thank you | ||
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