Tennessee School Bans ‘Maus’ Graphic Novel16790
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Quote:Originally Posted by EbayMafia I was a little surprised, too. I wonder if it was for an AP lit course or something like that. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by EbayMafia Yes, perhaps it was decided the content was above their comprehension. Hopefully it just wasn't because parents complained because they don't like it. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by EbayMafia It didn't exist when I was in high school! I did read it right when it came out, though. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by GAC The depiction of hanging and nudity was cited as the main objection. |
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I've been inspired to start reading it again. The "nudity" is all but non-existent. See if you can find it in the image below. But the overall subject about survival in concentration camps is pretty tough stuff for a 13 year old kid that doesn't have it go right over their head. From the prologue: "Friends? Your Friends? If you lock them together in a room with no food for a week...then you could see what it is, Friends!"  |
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| Its ugly subject matter, no doubt about it. | ||
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 If the viagra is working you should be well over a 9.8.
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| I lived a pretty sheltered childhood, and by eighth grade I had seen eight swear words and some nudity. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by EbayMafia Maybe I'm being overly optimistic, but if they're teaching it in school then someone should be making sure things aren't going over their heads. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by xkonk lol, I know from experience they would have more success with my 12 year old girl than with my 15 year old boy. We watched Stand By Me a while back. The next day she was on Amazon ordering the original Stephen King story "The Body". He was back on Youtube watching idiots hurt themselves. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by EbayMafia Yep. The author noted how minuscule and and how non-sexual the nudity was in the interview video. But there’s no question it’s rough subject matter. I don’t think anyone would argue that. |
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| For those interested, I found a pdf of Maus #1 A Survivor's Tale. If you haven't read it, it is worth it. clickable text  |
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| MAUS -Book 2- And Here My Troubles Began: Art Spiegelman clickable text  |
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| Saying it's banned is somewhat misleading. It was removed from an 8th grade curriculum. It wasn't ripped from students' hands, it wasn't removed from shelves and it wasn't burned. The Holocaust can be taught, and students can learn about the Holocaust, without the need to learn it from Maus. Art Spiegelman's take on the story is wrong in my opinion. And belittling the people of that community should be beneath him. | ||
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| I guess people who worry about this book have nothing better to worry about like real problems. | ||
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 I'm waiting.... (tapping fingers).Splotches is gettin old! |
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| My monthly December/January house fuel bill was close to $700. And my thermo is set to 61 at night. My gas fill up I just came back from was over $60. I could not find diabetic juice (sugar free) for my dad yesterday. Water, it is, for the week. I'll think about the Maus discussion tomorrow I suppose. |
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| Removing something from the curriculum isn't banning, but it does remove the exposure and discussion that the students would have received. It is short sited of the community, and their justifications are silly. The fact that black and white "cartoon" depictions of hangings, suicide and nudity in the context of the holocaust is too much for 13 year old kids is enough to remove Maus from the curriculum doesn't bode well for whatever they do try to teach their children. I wonder if they have any depictions of people being crucified just laying around their house for young innocent minds to witness. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Cerebus3000 @Cerebus3000 I think that's a good point. It's a reasonable debate over whether the book is age appropriate for 13 year old's. I suspect it probably depends which 13 year old we are talking about. There's not a definitively right or wrong answer. But the reasons given by the board were weak...looks like a transparent attempt to avoid the subjective debate by citing somewhat arbitrary criteria. And the use of the term "Ban" for the article was hyperbole click-bait. It sets bad precedent by taking true meaning away from the word. |
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| @Nuffsaid111 has your dad tried Gatorade Zero, the sugar-free one? | ||
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The school board officially prohibited Maus from being used in their curriculum. How is that not banning? |
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| The book is indeed banned. | ||
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 Hello, my name is Stu and I'm a shill.
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Quote:Originally Posted by power_struggle55Some have speculated this panel with "nudity" and a bad word is part of their "evidence".  |
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| @EbayMafia I have not! But I will definitely consider. He does love his Ocean Spray diet Cran-Grape and Cran-whatever though | ||
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| @Jesse_O Some school districts have removed peanut-based foods because of peanut allergies. We don't consider that to be a "ban" on peanuts. When the school district actually bans peanuts, they go further than that. They no longer allow peanut based food on campus, they confiscate it when found, and they discipline repeat offenders. If I start hearing that the school district is confiscating copies of the book and threatening discipline...then I would agree that it is "banned". By the way, some districts out here in California are debating inclusion of 5 literary classics. Some call it book banning, some articles call it "removed from reading list". https://abc7news.com/to-kill-a-mockingbird-ban-book-bank-burbank-unified-school-district-books-on-race/7988800/ |
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| @Nuffsaid111 I try to avoid unnecessary sugar so I typically have Gatorade Zero around the house in Orange or Grape. Mostly I just drink water, but it's nice to get a little flavor once in a while. It does create a sodium issue, so I dilute it with water. I was doing 50/50 dilution but now I dilute it down to two-thirds water and one-third Gatorade. It's cheap, usually get a 32 oz bottle for about $1.25 at the grocery store and easy to store as well. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by EbayMafia I read this book in eighth grade, and I would echo the sentiments of @Byrdibyrd. I think that book was the perfect and most inoffensive way to approach the Holocaust with care and depth. By eighth grade everyone has some conception of what the Holocaust was. The reality is that in this day and age, some of these conversations have to start younger, because well, the internet exists. I'm sure most sixth graders have seen memes about the Holocaust, heard it talked about on TV, etc. It's truly inconceivable to many older generations just how profoundly the internet has shaped the younger generations of today. Unfortunately, when kids start to learn about things of that magnitude, even if it seems young to adults, it is important to address them. Maus for me was a great way of doing so, and was the most memorable book that I read that entire year. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by EbayMafia Regardless of what you consider it, peanut-based foods would be banned from that school district. They officially prohibited it (in the kitchen and vending machines probably). Quote: Originally Posted by EbayMafia Has this actually happened? Or is this hyperbole? Regardless, confiscation, search and seizure, all of that, is enforcement of a ban. The ban is the act of officially prohibiting something. How they choose to enforce it is another subject all together. Many businesses and schools ban guns. Some install metal detectors and hire security. Some don't. Guns are still banned in all of them. |
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| @Jesse_O Yes, there are both. There are schools that have taken peanut products out of their menus and there are schools that have disallowed them on campus altogether. To differentiate between the two, I would use the word "ban" in the second case but not in the first situation. But maybe we're getting to deep into the semantics of the word. It's possible that the definition of the word "ban" is less strictly defined than I always assumed it to be. | ||
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| "Banning" foods because some people can have severe physical and sometimes life threatening reactions to exposure to them is nowhere in the same ballpark or league as banning a book that cannot cause any physical harm, unless you use it to smack someone upside the head, Cobra-Kai style. | ||
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| @HotKeyComics nobody was equating the two, we were just discussing the definition of "ban". I don't like the idea that "removed from the menu" equates to a ban, but I'm open to the idea that there is a broader and less impactful definition of the word than I had realized. | ||
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