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Zeck's Marvel Super Heroes Secret Wars #8 page sells for $3.36 million16686

COLLECTOR Towmater private msg quote post Address this user
Zeck's page featuring the first appearance of Spidey's black symbiote suit that would later lead to the creation of anti-hero Venom from Marvel Super Heroes Secret Wars #8 sold for $ 3.36 million yesterday.




The major auction houses and investors with money are going to take notice. Some investors had been moving into the market over the last 5 or so years which was driving some of the jumps in pricing that had been occurring. I just have to wonder what goodies will be coming to market in the future and what prices they will bring.

I'm glad I own 3 covers and other pages from Mike. I see his work jumping in price due to the sale. For that matter, I'm glad I started collecting OA in the 1990's when it was dirt cheap and you could buy stacks of it by the inch.
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Collector SpiderTim private msg quote post Address this user
I wish I as purchasing OA in the 1990's! I'd have auction some with the current pricing and kept the best examples as I am doing atm.
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COLLECTOR Towmater private msg quote post Address this user
I forgot to add that the page was the first piece of comic book OA to break $1 million.

The hobby ain't in Kansas anymore.
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Collector Briten private msg quote post Address this user
I understand the appeal of original art, but I don't understand some of the prices these things are fetching on the open market?

Prices in the hundreds of thousands and millions are beyond at least 99% of the people in this world. What are the odds that the 1% who can afford these prices read or has any affinity for the material?

Art work should be displayed and enjoyed. Not locked in a vault and hidden away because someone thinks it's worth 3 million.
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COLLECTOR Towmater private msg quote post Address this user
@Briten If the current pricing trend continues, I expect that major art museums will begin to exhibit comic book art.
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Collector SpiderTim private msg quote post Address this user
@Towmater this is debatable as the Frank Frazetta Queen of Egypt piece sold for more mulla but some would argue that Eerie is not a comic book but a magazine. I don't mind saying that the SW page is the second highest piece of Comic Book Original Art sold. Result is very, very impressive.
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@Briten If the current pricing trend continues, I expect that major art museums will begin to exhibit comic book art.


they should have been doing this a long time ago as it is art. The monetary value of the pieces should not deter or encourage museums from having samples of all types of art.
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TL;DR Davethebrave private msg quote post Address this user
This particular auction was just two <funnies> caught up in hysterics/ego war/who knows whatz

I am sorry but the price action (watched it live) says the piece was at best $400-$500k.

If you get two lottery winners (gamestop meme traders or crypto early adopters) in a bidding war, the sky is the limit.

The auction was within a hair of ending at $450k and the rest was just silliness.

Not saying I wouldn’t have fun and do the same if I had $1bn (not saying I would either).
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COLLECTOR Towmater private msg quote post Address this user
Dave, it's all conjecture. Yes, it appears like two people were going at it, but isn't that how most new levels in collectibles are set?

At the very least, it brought the comic OA hobby into the spotlight.
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Collector CatCovers private msg quote post Address this user
It's also only the first appearance in continuity. SW8 came out more than half a year after the black costume showed up in all the Spidey titles.

Not that any of that makes this price any less silly.

I remember OA for sale at conventions in the mid-'80s. A John Byrne X-Men action page featuring Wolverine would set you back as much as $350. There's a lot of investing advice I'd give teenage me if I had the chance.
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Dave, it's all conjecture. Yes, it appears like two people were going at it, but isn't that how most new levels in collectibles are set?

At the very least, it brought the comic OA hobby into the spotlight.


If the bidders are legitimate, I suspect that very thought is in the back of their minds while they bid. The idea that whatever price they pay will be worth it because it will bring spotlight to OA and increase the value of their overall portfolio by more than the cost of the item.
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COLLECTOR Towmater private msg quote post Address this user
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I remember OA for sale at conventions in the mid-'80s. A John Byrne X-Men action page featuring Wolverine would set you back as much as $350. There's a lot of investing advice I'd give teenage me if I had the chance.


I was based out of Arizona in the late 80's and early 90's. I never made it to McFarlane's comic shop in Phoenix. McSpidey pages were sold there. Woulda, shoulda, coulda.
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Collector power_struggle55 private msg quote post Address this user
what do they mean page? is that like the original drawing?
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TL;DR Davethebrave private msg quote post Address this user
Again, I like OA. While I think this was a $400-$500k reality that turned into a $3M amazing fantasy, I do think at $400-$500k it is still very valuable and at least one of a kind…

I am speaking very specifically with how this auction unfolded. The timing between bids, the very very close call with it nearly hammering around $450k… screams of ego or competitive bidding.
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what do they mean page? is that like the original drawing?


Yeah, it's the original board that Zeck drew on and then sent to Marvel for publication.
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I'm a #2. BigRedOne1944 private msg quote post Address this user
Im just glad to see Zeck's work get some serious recognition
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It was a one trick pony show but always hilarious. GAC private msg quote post Address this user
Makes one wonder what Ditko's first Spidey or Kirby's first Cap, FF, X-men etc. would fetch.
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COLLECTOR Towmater private msg quote post Address this user
@GAC It makes me wonder what the Incredible Hulk 181 cover, the cameo page of Wolverine in Incredible Hulk #180, Avenger 4 cover, or the Giant Size X-Men 1 cover would go for now.
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Collector power_struggle55 private msg quote post Address this user
my copy of secret wars #8 is signed by Mike Zeck (along with Jim Shooter and John Beatty)

really if you think about it, i wonder if marvel thought zeck was just lazy...."I dont want to draw the designs on his costume...Im going to just make it solid black"
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COLLECTOR Towmater private msg quote post Address this user
@power_struggle55 Mike is a very hard working guy. So, no his editors at Marvel didn't think that.

On a side note, it couldn't have happened to a nicer guy. He got thrust into the limelight a long time ago with his work on Punisher. Throw in his work on Kraven's Last Hunt, and the covers for 10 Nights of the Beast and he's a giant.
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It was a one trick pony show but always hilarious. GAC private msg quote post Address this user
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@GAC It makes me wonder what the Incredible Hulk 181 cover, the cameo page of Wolverine in Incredible Hulk #180, Avenger 4 cover, or the Giant Size X-Men 1 cover would go for now.


The prices of this OA is approaching, perhaps surpassing, prices of classic fine art paintings. The question is, will it sustain, as the fine art has.
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TL;DR Davethebrave private msg quote post Address this user
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@GAC It makes me wonder what the Incredible Hulk 181 cover, the cameo page of Wolverine in Incredible Hulk #180, Avenger 4 cover, or the Giant Size X-Men 1 cover would go for now.


The prices of this OA is approaching, perhaps surpassing, prices of classic fine art paintings. The question is, will it sustain, as the fine art has.


I may be missing something but if you follow fine art auctions, $3m is “entry level” … prices push tens of millions+.

Even NFTs as silly and new as they are have pushed near $100m.
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Collector Siggy private msg quote post Address this user
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my copy of secret wars #8 is signed by Mike Zeck (along with Jim Shooter and John Beatty)

really if you think about it, i wonder if marvel thought zeck was just lazy...."I dont want to draw the designs on his costume...Im going to just make it solid black"


As mentioned, this page isn't from the 1st appearance comic, so Zeck drew what he was asked to draw; the black costume that debuted in ASM #252.

I hope the winner knew this, and it's not a rich man's version of a new collector getting into a bidding war over an SW8, thinking it's the actual 1st app rather than the chronological 1st app.
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It was a one trick pony show but always hilarious. GAC private msg quote post Address this user
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@GAC It makes me wonder what the Incredible Hulk 181 cover, the cameo page of Wolverine in Incredible Hulk #180, Avenger 4 cover, or the Giant Size X-Men 1 cover would go for now.


The prices of this OA is approaching, perhaps surpassing, prices of classic fine art paintings. The question is, will it sustain, as the fine art has.


I may be missing something but if you follow fine art auctions, $3m is “entry level” … prices push tens of millions+.

Even NFTs as silly and new as they are have pushed near $100m.


I suppose it depends on how fine the art is but ofcourse you're right it can exceed 10's of millions+
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Masculinity takes a holiday. EbayMafia private msg quote post Address this user
@GAC Most of my stuff is under 10 million.
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Collector Haljordanfan private msg quote post Address this user
@EbayMafia 🤣 me too
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It was a one trick pony show but always hilarious. GAC private msg quote post Address this user
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@GAC Most of my stuff is under 10 million.


Yeah, mine is more in the multiple of tens of dollars 😄
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Collector BrianGreensnips private msg quote post Address this user
He also did a lot of great Captain America and Master of Kung Fu covers. Here is one of my favorites.
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TL;DR Davethebrave private msg quote post Address this user
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@GAC It makes me wonder what the Incredible Hulk 181 cover, the cameo page of Wolverine in Incredible Hulk #180, Avenger 4 cover, or the Giant Size X-Men 1 cover would go for now.


The prices of this OA is approaching, perhaps surpassing, prices of classic fine art paintings. The question is, will it sustain, as the fine art has.


I may be missing something but if you follow fine art auctions, $3m is “entry level” … prices push tens of millions+.

Even NFTs as silly and new as they are have pushed near $100m.


I suppose it depends on how fine the art is but ofcourse you're right it can exceed 10's of millions+


When I read the word “classic” in combination with “fine art” I interpret it to mean broadly recognizable works.

If so, then $3M is at the low end. Very low end.

The bidding cadence in the auction, which I watched, suggests fair value at $450k. If this piece re-enters the market I expect a massive fall from $3m.

Consider this, the online bidders that pushed it to quarter million range all dropped off the bidding (the protection bids as the live auction unfolded barely nudged it above where it sat from internet bids).

It appeared to be two bidders from $450k+. For me, the likely drivers above are: 1) ego bidding with both parties having enough funds to play the game 2) fake bidding (one or more bidders never expected to pay up) 3) legit “universe of two” buyers for this piece. Not a good basis for setting future values. #3 is the best for market support of the price (though still very weak)…

Compare to other auction price action where final hammer tends to be at most 3-5x where internet bidding lands. Or very well supported valuations like the AC1 6.0 that was over $2M prior to live auction and only 1.5x hammer ratio vs that price…
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