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Hello, my name is Stu and I'm a shill. HexView private msg quote post Address this user
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Finally, in the real world I have seen that people who are outwardly, self-proclaiming rule followers or moral compass holders are, in practice, often the biggest hypocrites.
I find that people who make a post like this are trying to convince others that their shady behavior isn't shady.
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Thank you sir. May I have another? Siggy private msg quote post Address this user
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These kind of threads are always informative and important wherever sales take place

I always look at it as; If someone is willing to try one trick to bypass a rule, for personal gain, what else are they willing to try? Then I move on.


What I have learned is the first person to throw out an insult (“dumb”) is usually lacking in other faculties.

Thank you for sharing. Why are you telling me?


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Finally, in the real world I have seen that people who are outwardly, self-proclaiming rule followers or moral compass holders are, in practice, often the biggest hypocrites.


That's convenient.
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Have I told you about the time I dropped off 3,000 comics at SDCC? Scifinator private msg quote post Address this user
@flanders - not free. Mosr counties in CA will require their own fees and even registration once you have a CA sellers permit.
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“And the homeeeeeeeeeeeee of the feeeeeeeeeeeeees”
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Finally, in the real world I have seen that people who are outwardly, self-proclaiming rule followers or moral compass holders are, in practice, often the biggest hypocrites.


Perhaps they are former law enforcement officers who spent years incarcerating criminals and seen the effects of those criminals' actions on the innocent. As a result, they have no issue identifying a duck nor spend time attempting to mold it into something it isn't.

Apparently, your milage varies.
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I’m Kinda Married To A Celebrity. 00slim private msg quote post Address this user
I met a guy locally to sell my FF 48 recently. He wanted to pay me via PayPal. We had discussed possibly using Friends and Family. My concern had nothing to do with avoiding fees. I was handing him the book in-person. If he later had Buyer’s remorse, he could claim there was an issue with the transaction & quite possibly get his money back from PayPal. Leaving me high & dry with no book & out of pocket thousands of dollars.

He has no issue with this and still wanted to proceed. He was clearly a real fan and he was pumped to have the book. Then I found out he was going to use his credit card to make the purchase. In that case, if he used Friends & Family, I knew he’d get hit hard with additional fees by his credit card company because it would be more like a cash advance. It could easily be 20-25% depending on his card.

I couldn’t do that to him. We did Goods & Services and I had him sign a Bill of Sale to make it official.
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Masculinity takes a holiday. EbayMafia private msg quote post Address this user
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Furthermore, your description of what a lawyer may do (post 75) is speculative at best. When they do a quick cost ratio in their head of a couple of grand locked in whatever account vs. the court/arbitration costs and their time that will be spent and billed for, you will hear them say, "Do you want to spend good funds to go after bad funds?" If you have an attorney on retainer, and they are worth their salt, then you will get that response from them.


lol. I just don't know how to engage with someone who deflects with "speculation"...and then speculates in the very next sentence!
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Masculinity takes a holiday. EbayMafia private msg quote post Address this user
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Finally, in the real world I have seen that people who are outwardly, self-proclaiming rule followers or moral compass holders are, in practice, often the biggest hypocrites.


Perhaps they are former law enforcement officers who spent years incarcerating criminals and seen the effects of those criminals' actions on the innocent. As a result, they have no issue identifying a duck nor spend time attempting to mold it into something it isn't.

Apparently, your milage varies.


Or maybe they've been seeing ducks for so long that they insist every bird they come across is a duck.
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Should drivers who fail to make a full stop at a stop sign, turn themselves in?
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Masculinity takes a holiday. EbayMafia private msg quote post Address this user
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Paypal is likely allowing massive amounts of grey zone F&F to continue because it makes them big $ long-term vs upsetting clients.

Now I would guess their algorithms do choke out people transacting big primarily or exclusively under F&F and not G&S… regardless of a potentially broader application of their UA.


Isn't that really the case with everything? It's ok to participate in the gray zone but don't get greedy...hogs get slaughtered?
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I'm waiting.... (tapping fingers).
Splotches is gettin old!
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Shhhhhhh.... the jobsworth's are watching.
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Finally, in the real world I have seen that people who are outwardly, self-proclaiming rule followers or moral compass holders are, in practice, often the biggest hypocrites.
I find that people who make a post like this are trying to convince others that their shady behavior isn't shady.


@HexView When we were doing a fundraiser for @jesse_o I auctioned some comics on the forum to donate the money to him. The person who won the auction knew the money was going to @jesse_o, If the person who won the auction had paid me by friends and family...do you consider that shady behavior? Should one or both of us have had our Paypal accounts locked? Is there really no gray area?
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Should divers who fail to make a full stop at a stop sign, turn themselves in?


definitely not divers, lol.
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I met a guy locally to sell my FF 48 recently. He wanted to pay me via PayPal. We had discussed possibly using Friends and Family. My concern had nothing to do with avoiding fees. I was handing him the book in-person. If he later had Buyer’s remorse, he could claim there was an issue with the transaction


This is really a great point. When doing a face to face transaction, the seller is actually put at a disadvantage by not using friends and family. It creates an opening for scamming that a buyer would not have if they had paid by friends and family. I hadn't thought about it before, but a buyer who insists on paying G&S for an in-person transaction could have bad intentions.
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I have a problem with fattening women up. Bronte private msg quote post Address this user
I have been scolded a million times that my black and white view of the world is too extreme. There is always grey. People aren't wired to make only binary choices.

There was an batman animated cartoon where batman is driving and his doppelganger is in passenger seat and they are going somewhere in a hurry. However to prove a point, batman stops at the stop light.
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Hello, my name is Stu and I'm a shill. HexView private msg quote post Address this user
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Finally, in the real world I have seen that people who are outwardly, self-proclaiming rule followers or moral compass holders are, in practice, often the biggest hypocrites.
I find that people who make a post like this are trying to convince others that their shady behavior isn't shady.


@HexView When we were doing a fundraiser for @jesse_o I auctioned some comics on the forum to donate the money to him. The person who won the auction knew the money was going to @jesse_o, If the person who won the auction had paid me by friends and family...do you consider that shady behavior? Should one or both of us have had our Paypal accounts locked? Is there really no gray area?

If you're going to use PayPal, follow their rules or you're in the wrong. A comic book is "goods" no matter how you spin it.
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I'm waiting.... (tapping fingers).
Splotches is gettin old!
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Hello, my name is Stu and I'm a shill. HexView private msg quote post Address this user
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I met a guy locally to sell my FF 48 recently. He wanted to pay me via PayPal. We had discussed possibly using Friends and Family. My concern had nothing to do with avoiding fees. I was handing him the book in-person. If he later had Buyer’s remorse, he could claim there was an issue with the transaction


This is really a great point. When doing a face to face transaction, the seller is actually put at a disadvantage by not using friends and family. It creates an opening for scamming that a buyer would not have if they had paid by friends and family. I hadn't thought about it before, but a buyer who insists on paying G&S for an in-person transaction could have bad intentions.
That is some messed up logic right there 😀 anything to justify doing the wrong thing I guess🙄 F+F is for times when you CAN'T meet in person.
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Should divers who fail to make a full stop at a stop sign, turn themselves in?


definitely not divers, lol.

Sorry, was driving and typing.
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We should have the forum rate our packages. HeinzDad private msg quote post Address this user
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Should divers who fail to make a full stop at a stop sign, turn themselves in?


definitely not divers, lol.

Sorry, was driving and typing.
ruh roh, turn yourself in..
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Finally, in the real world I have seen that people who are outwardly, self-proclaiming rule followers or moral compass holders are, in practice, often the biggest hypocrites.
I find that people who make a post like this are trying to convince others that their shady behavior isn't shady.


@HexView When we were doing a fundraiser for @jesse_o I auctioned some comics on the forum to donate the money to him. The person who won the auction knew the money was going to @jesse_o, If the person who won the auction had paid me by friends and family...do you consider that shady behavior? Should one or both of us have had our Paypal accounts locked? Is there really no gray area?

If you're going to use PayPal, follow their rules or you're in the wrong. A comic book is "goods" no matter how you spin it.


So either pay the fee every time or close down my Paypal accounts and transact in another way? Actually I will leave it up to Paypal. Rather than close my accounts and pull all my business, I will continue to use Paypal the exact same way I have for the last 15-20 years. A smattering of gray area transactions mixed in with a bunch of other transactions. If it doesn't work for Paypal, they can kick me out any time that they feel that's the right business decision. I suspect Paypal would want it that way.
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Keep your $6.87 bro... not even saving tax with that. Cli4dR3D0g private msg quote post Address this user
I pay F&F and ship Media Mail. Bad boys for life.
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If you're going to use PayPal, follow their rules or you're in the wrong. A comic book is "goods" no matter how you spin it.
If you use PayPal to pay your nephew for mowing the lawn, should you use “services” or “family”? 🤔
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I'm waiting.... (tapping fingers).
Splotches is gettin old!
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I pay F&F and ship Media Mail. Bad boys for life.


Friends and Family Paypal for "goods" with friends and family
Media Mail for comics
Placing 1092 Priority boxes within 1095 boxes
Jaywalkers
Giving a sweetheart a box of candy less than 50 lbs in Idaho
Having sheep in the cab of a pickup in Montana.

There are so many on here that need to re-assess their actions and practices.
I never realized what a brazen group of rule breakers there are.
Shame shame shame

We'll be ok, though, we have those watching us to make sure we conform
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Hello, my name is Stu and I'm a shill. HexView private msg quote post Address this user
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If you're going to use PayPal, follow their rules or you're in the wrong. A comic book is "goods" no matter how you spin it.
If you use PayPal to pay your nephew for mowing the lawn, should you use “services” or “family”? 🤔

This is not rocket science - was this payment for a service or good(s)? Yes. Who supplied that service is irrelevant.
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Keep your $6.87 bro... not even saving tax with that. Cli4dR3D0g private msg quote post Address this user
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If you're going to use PayPal, follow their rules or you're in the wrong. A comic book is "goods" no matter how you spin it.
If you use PayPal to pay your nephew for mowing the lawn, should you use “services” or “family”? 🤔

This is not rocket science - was this payment for a service or good(s)? Yes. Who supplied that service is irrelevant.


I'm the first to admit I'm not a rocket scientist, but - is he my nephew? Yes. What the payment is for is irrelevant.
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