Are CBCS cases significantly tougher than CGC cases?16375
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Davethebrave private msg quote post Address this user | |
| No idea. I was on the receiving end of a damaged CGC slab recently. Didn’t seem like the shipping box sustained damage and didn’t seem like it was poorly packaged (ie packaged with no absorption). I will say something that may be missed by the non-physicists. A more durable case may not actually be a better thing for the comic inside. It is how a shock to the case transfers to the comic that matters the most for the typical sort of damage expected in transit or handling (shock/impact). What you want is a case designed to absorb more of the shock in a more predictable (less variable/volatile manner) that translates to fewer g’s exacted on your book. Also, how the inner well/book reacts with the hard surface materials. For cars that means crumple zones combined with a rigid cage, combined with srs are much safer than driving around in a solid mass of metal. Some of the safest cars may look worse than less safe (older for example) cars that don’t crumple enough in the right spots. Of course other factors are critical too but I am simplifying (type of impact/relative mass and displacement etc). But my first concern is for the book, not the case, and therefore I am more interested in how well it protects vs. how well the case itself survives. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Davethebrave Bingo! Did either company design their case for shock-absorbency, such as some phone case brands do? I doubt it, since graded comics aren't expected to be exposed to situations in which it becomes a primary factor of protection. |
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| This conversation is interesting and raises some questions from me. I only got some books slabbed recently, because I understand that's the world of comics nowadays, and I want to sell them. I don't think I will ever understand the point of this practice, so that's actually not what my following question is. But first, I think I read on CGC that it's possible that the ink from a comic cover can stick to the plastic, making reholdering a risk. Has anyone experienced that? My real question given the range of conversation here, is this: would any of you consider ranking your reasons for getting a book slabbed? I'm really curious about this. thanx. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by dennisqdw If you have a book signed with specific inks (grease pencils?), then this is possible. There is no risk between the mylar CGC uses and comic books/conventional inks. I value grading services (well, 2 of them) for the ability to authenticate vintage comics, and in the case of CGC, signature witness. Otherwise, I consider it relatively* foolish for the consumer to (IMO) waste their money. *As with every rule, there are exceptions. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by dennisqdw @dennisqdw Primary reason is really liquidity and fungibility. An unslabbed comic is unique and it's true value is nebulous. A slabbed comic has been made fungible and it's true market value is knowable. If an insurance company has to pay out for a "nice condition" Hulk 181, no one knows what the value is. If an insurance company has to pay out for a CBCS 8.5 White Pages Hulk 181...well, we can get pretty close to knowing exactly what that market value is. And once a book has been made fungible through third party grading, it has now been made liquid. Which, I think you realize, is critical to getting full value in remote sales. There are other reasons, but this must cover about 90% of it I would think. |
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I think we should all be happy that BOTH companies moved to stronger, sturdier cases. Previously both had cases that you could bend with your hands. I am content with the new slabs from both - just not the new pricing  |
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Quote:Originally Posted by the420bandito This exactly. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by dennisqdw I slab books for one reason….. the monetary value that CBCS, CGC label adds to the book in order to sell it for the most optimal price. There are simply much more affordable ways to preserve and store comic books than 3rd party slabs iMO |
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Quote:Originally Posted by dennisqdw When I started getting books graded, my order was something like a) know the grade of the book I have/want to buy online b) protecting the book Now, my order is something like a) know the grade to establish the value b) possibly increase the value of a book, e.g. the 9.8 factor c) looks nice d) protecting the book |
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| I prefer the look, sturdiness, and the non-newton-ringiness of the CBCS slabs for sure. But, I will say this for the CGC slabs, I really do like that little indent on the back where the label is. Makes grabbing them and pulling them out of a case, or really anywhere, a lot easier. It's a small thing, but I like it. |
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| I crack out both regularly. Both newer cases are much harder to crack out and appear to have the same amount of sturdiness. The CBCS cases seem to be clearer IMO, but both crack out the same. | ||
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| Completely come full circle on another issue. Now I'm of the opinion that the grading companies have ruined the hobby. People no longer focus on the story or the art or whether or not they want a particular book to display or have. Now, most people are concerned with the prospective grade and it's relative value. That, to me, is a shame. And, no my limited experience says there is no difference between CGC and CBCS slabs in terms of quality. |
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@Sunvox I hear you. I go way back in this hobby, and grade and value were always part of it, and indeed being what might be called part of the second generation of collectors, I was undoubtedly part of exacerbating both the desire for good condition and the costs of comics. But the goal back then was to own a comic you could read, because reprints were few and far between. And condition mattered because, for example, the very first golden age book I bought in 1972 literally turned to crumbs as I read it. But based on this unscientific survey of a handful of people, it all seems to be about value, value, value. As I said in my first post, I'm not going to try to understand the point of this hobby, I'm just cashing in. So this works for me Fwiw, I am pleased to hear that the quality of the plastic cases has improved. If we're going to need them, better is better than worse. |
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| I don’t want to keep this train “off” the rails but the obsession with value has little to do with comics or even grading/encapsulation. Grading is an enabler, definitely. But the most recent spike in activity is not comic-specific. Every single conceivable “hobby” that involves physical (or even digital!) objects has seen similar spikes. This bears repeating - comics are not special in this regard. Cars, watches, booze, cards, guitars, books, art, vid games, old polished turds, the gamut. Everything. Not to mention the general debt-fueled inflation or the more recent supply chain inflation. Now, within each of the above, there are pockets of hyper-hype. In other words, where more of the speculative focus has been concentrated by a combo of a) recent trends and momentum and b) new entrants with amped-up FOMO. The pockets will get hammered when the general trends slow down. The other areas are less clear but unlikely to get hammered because funds will still need to settle somewhere and if everything is “high” the baseline has adjusted. Now - back to the cases. I prefer the CBCS case but still not sure it is better for protection. My priority is the comic itself and the case is wayyyy lower. Of course if a case is damaged - that sucks. But so long as the book is safe, I am okay. |
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| @Davethebrave Yes you are absolutely correct. We live in a world where too few people have too much money. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by xvipah Newton Rings have been noted with the New CBCS cases |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Sunvox Prospective grade and it's relative value are the ONLY reasons grading companies even exist. That is their sole purpose. Rest assured there are plenty of collectors who still care about the stories and art. In fact I would venture to say that the vast majority of comic collectors do not use these grading services and retain Raw comics. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Davethebrave Eventually the "greater fool" gets cold feet. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by BigRedOne1944 The main reason to grade books is to sell them, either in the short or long term. The secondary reason is to protect the books from damage, but let's face it: The overwhelming majority of graded books will eventually end up for sale. We just need to keep in mind that it's not always for purely mercenary purposes and with no regard or respect for the stories/art. The reality is that buyers feel more assured of getting what they pay for if a book has been graded by a third party. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by BigRedOne1944 Yeah, but they are few and far between compared to the kaleidoscope packed into each shipment from the cgc. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by DrWatson None the less CBCS is not immune. Newton rings are a non-issue with me personally with either company. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by DrWatson I wish I could argue, but... I can't. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by BigRedOne1944 I heard that since cgc Newton Rings were so prevalent, General Mills approached them about replacing the rainbows in their Lucky Charms with cgc slabs. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by DrWatson Ouch!  |
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| @robertofredrico Yeah, you do everything right and sometimes it still happens. Newton rings are a risk whenever you have two dissimilar pieces of plastic next to each other. | ||
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