Are CBCS cases significantly tougher than CGC cases?16375
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EbayMafia private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Because if they are, that's kind of big deal. Considering that a primary reason for slabbing has been to sell comics remotely, the toughness of the case would play an important role. I've seen some CBCS slabs survive some hairy shipments. Is there any data behind this? | ||
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GAC private msg quote post Address this user | |
| "Significantly" is a matter of opinion but personally, I would say yes they are. They feel "beefier" and are more rigid but I don't know if the rigidity translate to being more brittle i.e. lower shatter threshold. | ||
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Rongro private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I would not test the theory out. Haha. But ya, they sure feel sturdier | ||
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Happyfacecomics private msg quote post Address this user | |
| It depends on the thickness of the comic. Some slabs seem beefier for both CGC and CBCS if the comic is one of the thicker ones | ||
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sportshort private msg quote post Address this user | |
| @EbayMafia, recently I purchase TMNT The Last Ronin and it came in a CGC magazine slab, Holy Crap! what a flimsy case. When I held it from the edge to photograph it, it felt like it was going to break open from its own weight. I hope that CBCS' upcoming magazine case is much much sturdier. I am interested to hear if there is data to support your observations. |
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KatKomics private msg quote post Address this user | |
| 100% stronger - they take public floggings from CGC fan boys continuously!!! | ||
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power_struggle55 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Ive seen videos comparing. I think most say cbcs are tougher | ||
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 How do I know this? Because I've done it myself.
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lawguy1977 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| In my highly scientific studies by holding both CGC and CBCS cases in my hands, I think the CBCS case is sturdier. I do think the case used by CGC for thicker books (for example, I have a couple Detective Comics 1000s) seem pretty solid, but I haven't had a thicker book slabbed in a CBCS case yet, so can't compare. | ||
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power_struggle55 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| people like the edges/sides more on cgc (plus the sticker or whatever for the grade), but people do prefer overall cbcs (at least from the videos Ive seen) | ||
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Byrdibyrd private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by sportshort I really dislike the CGC magazine slabs because you're absolutely correct: They are flimsy. They even make creaking and cracking noises if the magazine is a heavy/thick one. I'll be so happy when we have an alternative! |
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beastboy1980 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| not sure on which is tougher. i think by holding both cases cbcs has a tighter feel while cgc case seems much larger . one thing i like about the cbcs case over the cgc is that you can fit them more easily into a graded box and get more into the box. |
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Nuffsaid111 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I think I'll do a little test on my CBCS Hulk 181 9.6 and see how far I can bend it before it snaps. Compare that to applying equal torque to my CGC 9.8 New Gods #1. I'll report back on my findings  |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Nuffsaid111 Are you gonna video? |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Pre_Coder Thinking...... thinking... thinking. I'd get alot of viewers I guess?? |
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BigRedOne1944 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I love my CBCS cases...... but it seems like a lot of bias here..... Im going with......... NO | ||
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GAC private msg quote post Address this user | |
| it's not bias if it's true. If you've got the new CBCS cases and CGC cases then you'd know this to be true. | ||
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Byrdibyrd private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I have both CGC and CBCS slabs, and I have to say that right now I prefer the CBCS slab to CGC. I think that CGC slabs pick up more little scratches and dings, for one thing. It's so easy to get a blemish on a CGC slab. Also, the inner capsule in a CBCS slab is secured inside the outer capsule. The CGC inner capsules are just sitting inside the outer capsule, and sometimes you can even hear it rattling around if you shake the slab. I don't like that at all. I will say, though, that I prefer the CGC slab to the previous CBCS slab. The old CBCS slab didn't seem anywhere near as sturdy as the current one. | ||
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EbayMafia private msg quote post Address this user | |
| My initial question comes from the fact that I've shipped a lot of slabs and never had a cracked slab reported back to me. But then I was thinking that I ship I high percentage of CBCS slabs...so I was wondering if that is helping my odds. Wondering if anyone else has insights on which slabs are better designed to survive the dangers of shipping. | ||
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BigRedOne1944 private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by GAC Umm.... Negative. You can split hairs all you want trying to support your CBCS preference, but there's no "significant" durability difference. Quote: Originally Posted by Byrdibyrd I love the clarity of the New CBCS slabs, but I find just the opposite to be true. I find the CBCS cases much more susceptible to scuffs and scratches. Maybe its just the clarity of the cases making it seem more pronounced. Both CGC and CBCS make solid cases and again, I don't see any significant durability differences between the two. |
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Byrdibyrd private msg quote post Address this user | |
| @EbayMafia I ship both, and the real key is to have good packaging. If the packaging is protective enough, either slab can ship really well, in my experience. The only thing I have ever had come back to me damaged in shipping was a CGC magazine slab, which should be no surprise at all. It's great that we have an option for slabbing magazines, but seriously, those slabs are so flimsy. If CBCS comes out with a magazine-sized slab that is as nice as their comic-sized ones, I will have some soul-searching to do regarding getting all my mags re-slabbed. | ||
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EbayMafia private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by Byrdibyrd That is my experience as well. The magazine slab got shattered with no visible damage to the shipping box. Never recieved a broken comic slab yet. |
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Byrdibyrd private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by EbayMafia When mine came back, it was weird. There was a ding on the corner of the box - not that impressive a ding, either - and the slab came out in many, many pieces in the MIDDLE on the bottom edge. Not the corner where the box was impacted, but in the middle. Looked like it got hit with a hammer. What...? The only comic slab I've ever had broken/cracked is one I just received from CGC (I'll be sending it back for a re-holder) and it's a small hairline crack on one side. Definitely has nothing to do with shipping damage. It looks like a pre-existing defect to me. |
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theCapraAegagrus private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by BigRedOne1944 A lot of people will ignore that the perception of being 'sturdy' does not make a material durable, especially in plastics. I like the CBCS cases because they do not seem to have a Newton Ring problem. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Byrdibyrdthis is true for some comics size too. 2 out of 3 CGC slabs I have cracked for CPR; I pulled apart with my fingers with minimal effort. Sturdier? IDK. One sealed better than the other? Yes. We’re talking about plastic here so no need to get in an uproar. |
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Davethebrave private msg quote post Address this user | |
| No idea. I was on the receiving end of a damaged CGC slab recently. Didn’t seem like the shipping box sustained damage and didn’t seem like it was poorly packaged (ie packaged with no absorption). I will say something that may be missed by the non-physicists. A more durable case may not actually be a better thing for the comic inside. It is how a shock to the case transfers to the comic that matters the most for the typical sort of damage expected in transit or handling (shock/impact). What you want is a case designed to absorb more of the shock in a more predictable (less variable/volatile manner) that translates to fewer g’s exacted on your book. Also, how the inner well/book reacts with the hard surface materials. For cars that means crumple zones combined with a rigid cage, combined with srs are much safer than driving around in a solid mass of metal. Some of the safest cars may look worse than less safe (older for example) cars that don’t crumple enough in the right spots. Of course other factors are critical too but I am simplifying (type of impact/relative mass and displacement etc). But my first concern is for the book, not the case, and therefore I am more interested in how well it protects vs. how well the case itself survives. |
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theCapraAegagrus private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by Davethebrave Bingo! Did either company design their case for shock-absorbency, such as some phone case brands do? I doubt it, since graded comics aren't expected to be exposed to situations in which it becomes a primary factor of protection. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by theCapraAegagrus |
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dennisqdw private msg quote post Address this user | |
| This conversation is interesting and raises some questions from me. I only got some books slabbed recently, because I understand that's the world of comics nowadays, and I want to sell them. I don't think I will ever understand the point of this practice, so that's actually not what my following question is. But first, I think I read on CGC that it's possible that the ink from a comic cover can stick to the plastic, making reholdering a risk. Has anyone experienced that? My real question given the range of conversation here, is this: would any of you consider ranking your reasons for getting a book slabbed? I'm really curious about this. thanx. |
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theCapraAegagrus private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by dennisqdw If you have a book signed with specific inks (grease pencils?), then this is possible. There is no risk between the mylar CGC uses and comic books/conventional inks. I value grading services (well, 2 of them) for the ability to authenticate vintage comics, and in the case of CGC, signature witness. Otherwise, I consider it relatively* foolish for the consumer to (IMO) waste their money. *As with every rule, there are exceptions. |
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