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and? the idea was Byrne's, not something Miller chose for a reason Milller had...get it?


So... Miller decided?
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Miller decided to accept Byrne's suggestion that Robin should be female...meaning, since you seem to not be getting it...that BYRNE was the one who came up with the idea for a female robin and suggested it...not Miller and certainly not for any idea that Miller had about the character....
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More to the point than arguing over who created a particular character is the simple recognition that when comics introduce a new white guy, no one really bats an eye. If the fifth Captain America or the 18th Green Lantern is some dude, people might say "I hope they get back to Hal/Steve soon" but there isn't really a fuss. When you introduce a woman or minority character, whether they're new or filling in, some people have to find the highest mountain they can climb on to complain about it. Falcon isn't the real Cap, X-23 is a knock-off, Miracle Molly looks weird and must be a lesbian, that new character on Sesame Street is ruining children's lives, etc. Whether a character is brand-new or not is a minor part of the issue.
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There were likely many ideas, internal to Frank’s own mind and external. He decided on that one. So he decided.

In fact, depending on your philosophical view of empiricism vs rationalism, you could argue there are no purely internally derived thoughts.

So that would mean that there was no decision.

Maybe - just maybe - Robin doesn’t even exist. Or was not female after all and all of this is in your head.

Woah.
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...that new character on Sesame Street is ruining children's lives, etc.


They are puppets. Nothing more and nothing less. Sesame Street confirmed that in 2018.
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I sat this movie out.

As a member of the lgbtq+ community it didn't appeal to me

I had 4 friends go see it and none made it through the whole movie. One made it half way.

So far all I have heard its it's hard to follow and really boring
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There's an old Onion Article titled "Madonna going door to door trying to shock people". And I think that sums up some peoples reaction to current changes. Yeah there's been a black Green Lantern, a Gay Green Lantern, a female Robin, etc...but that was interesting and intriguing. It felt organic and authentic. Now it just feels so contrived and agenda driven. Serving no purpose other than a blatant attempt at pandering and Publicity.
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I WAS physically around those people...and yes they got over it, because it was a different time and place where people were not so close minded and so set on their own narratives


Your really gonna need to rethink this. 1986 vs Now? Find a poll on any social issue from 1986 and compare it to today. Gay marriage, drugs, transgender, bi-racial marriage...anything. You won't find a single one where people today are less accepting than in 1986.
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There's an old Onion Article titled "Madonna going door to door trying to shock people". And I think that sums up some peoples reaction to current changes. Yeah there's been a black Green Lantern, a Gay Green Lantern, a female Robin, etc...but that was interesting and intriguing. It felt organic and authentic. Now it just feels so contrived and agenda driven. Serving no purpose other than a blatant attempt at pandering and Publicity.

John Stewart was my favorite GL. I fear with all the Wrong people pushing for LGBTQ+ will hurt us in the community who just want to go on with our day and ignore all the nonsense.

However I am really hoping the furries can get a Super hero. A furry Batman or something. They get mocked a lot but I have met a lot of cool people in that community
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There's an old Onion Article titled "Madonna going door to door trying to shock people". And I think that sums up some peoples reaction to current changes. Yeah there's been a black Green Lantern, a Gay Green Lantern, a female Robin, etc...but that was interesting and intriguing. It felt organic and authentic. Now it just feels so contrived and agenda driven. Serving no purpose other than a blatant attempt at pandering and Publicity.
wouldnt that really be in each persons own perception including yours and therefore not a fact but an opinion?
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I WAS physically around those people...and yes they got over it, because it was a different time and place where people were not so close minded and so set on their own narratives


Your really gonna need to rethink this. 1986 vs Now? Find a poll on any social issue from 1986 and compare it to today. Gay marriage, drugs, transgender, bi-racial marriage...anything. You won't find a single one where people today are less accepting than in 1986.
We are standing in an example right now of it...you dont need to go find a poll, all you have to do is read this thread , so perhaps YOU should rethink it and attempt to find a poll that DOESN'T illustrate the purpose as perfectly as this thread does. Why bother going looking for polls when your very posts and this thread exemplify the very proof you claim does not exist?
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Maybe because ebaymafia is smart enough to realize that in 1986 same-sex unions were not recognized in the USA. Then he can look at history and see that the Netherlands was the first country to recognize same-sex unions in the early 2000's. Also, he can look it up and see that in the USA the legality of same-sex unions expanded to all 50 states in 2015. So, his claim holds up nicely.
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I hear arguing on the internet is a sure fire way to change people's minds.
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I think you are right Studley....I just realized I have so many better things called comic books I could be reading, other than a study in bigotry and hatred.
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I hear arguing on the internet is a sure fire way to change people's minds.


if only there was more than 3 check marks for this...
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I think you are right Studley....I just realized I have so many better things called comic books I could be reading, other than a study in bigotry and hatred.


If you are referring to the exchange with a few others on here and making accusations of bigotry, you should self-examine.

Maybe your interpretation of some of the reasonable (differing) views on these topics is actually projection. It happens all the time - projecting one’s own views on the motivations of others.

Something to consider.
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reasonable and differing are both matters of opinion, and honestly I am quite good with the fact my take differs from your own in that regard. As for your rather crude attempt to twist things around , as you said, perhaps you should self examine for a good long time . Something for YOU to consider, thanks
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@Darkseid_of_town

My take is simple - no bigotry or racism should ever be tolerated and I embrace diversity, peace and love.

I understand you have a different view to my view above - I am sorry to hear that. Hopefully you will one day also find acceptance for those of different backgrounds and creeds.

Good luck to you!
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Please continue to ignore anything I post. southerncross private msg quote post Address this user
Just give me a good story, Nuff Said 👍
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@Darkseid_of_town

My take is simple - no bigotry or racism should ever be tolerated and I embrace diversity, peace and love.

I understand you have a different view to my view above - I am sorry to hear that. Hopefully you will one day also find acceptance for those of different backgrounds and creeds.

Good luck to you!
If that is your take its a great one and I agree with it...despite your attempts to imply that I feel differently or to somehow wedge words in my mouth that I did not say. It suggests your view is not as stated , or you would not try that to another man. Hopefully you will one day find acceptance for those of different backgrounds and creeds? utterly condescending and rude...please knock your posturing and rude implications off.
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@Darkseid_of_town I don’t believe you are those things. But your posts are accusing others of the same.

You seem to be a decent person and certainly not a bigot. That said, it isn’t nice to throw accusations around at others here implying bigotry because of slightly different takes on these topics.
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We are standing in an example right now of it...you dont need to go find a poll, all you have to do is read this thread


says the science guy.
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@Darkseid_of_town I don’t believe you are those things. But your posts are accusing others of the same.

You seem to be a decent person and certainly not a bigot. That said, it isn’t nice to throw accusations around at others here implying bigotry because of slightly different takes on these topics.
...slightly different, like say on and off or open and closed slightly, agreed.
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We are standing in an example right now of it...you dont need to go find a poll, all you have to do is read this thread


says the science guy.
first nice thing you found to ever say to me, thanks Ebaymafia...oh and yes, why go out looking for a topic to study if you are standing in one....you can quote me on that anytime !
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I just realized I have so many better things called comic books I could be reading, other than a study in bigotry and hatred.


Bigotry and hatred would indicate that people don't acknowledge the nuance and detail that differentiates one situation from another. They have the same consistent negative response, regardless of the details. You acknowledge in your example below that this is not the case, not every character transformation is resisted simply on the grounds of Bigotry.

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Keep pondering the Frank Miller series, Dark Knight Returns, where he changed Robin to a woman, Carrie Kelley. Noone said a word and the story went on to become recognized pretty much by most as one of the better Batman stores ever written.......where was the rending of clothes and tearing of hair and gnashing of teeth then?


You refuse to even consider the idea that there are differences in situational nuance and detail which could explain peoples inconsistent reaction. With your "where were the complainers when..?" examples you repeatedly insist that the difference in reaction is a sign of bigotry, when in fact CONSISTENCY in negative reaction would be the true sign of bigotry. And then you try to back it up with the absurdly unscientific "observation" that people are just less accepting in 2021 than they were in 1986. I do find it ironic however, that with the very example you choose, you exhibit the exact trait that you apply to those who disagree with you.
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I fear with all the Wrong people pushing for LGBTQ will hurt us in the community who just want to go on with our day and ignore all the nonsense.


@BrashSmurf I think many of us in various walks of life would agree that our belief systems are being egregiously misrepresented by the loudest and most extreme voices on the internet.
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I just realized I have so many better things called comic books I could be reading, other than a study in bigotry and hatred.


Bigotry and hatred would indicate that people don't acknowledge the nuance and detail that differentiates one situation from another. They have the same consistent negative response, regardless of the details. You acknowledge in your example below that this is not the case, not every character transformation is resisted simply on the grounds of Bigotry.

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Keep pondering the Frank Miller series, Dark Knight Returns, where he changed Robin to a woman, Carrie Kelley. Noone said a word and the story went on to become recognized pretty much by most as one of the better Batman stores ever written.......where was the rending of clothes and tearing of hair and gnashing of teeth then?


You refuse to even consider the idea that there are differences in situational nuance and detail which could explain peoples inconsistent reaction. With your "where were the complainers when..?" examples you repeatedly insist that the difference in reaction is a sign of bigotry, when in fact CONSISTENCY in negative reaction would be the true sign of bigotry. And then you try to back it up with the absurdly unscientific "observation" that people are just less accepting in 2021 than they were in 1986. I do find it ironic however, that with the very example you choose, you exhibit the exact trait that you apply to those who disagree with you.
I am delighted we agree..the consistency in negative action is a true sign of bigotry...and watching people trying now to use special pleading and arguing extenuating circumstances is utterly amusing.
Hats off to you though..you again attempted an insult in closing..while screaming bigotry towards others no less
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Oh and incidentally see how your argument plays out vs the original context of the post and how woke folks are causing issues.
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you again attempted an insult in closing..while screaming bigotry towards others no less


The "screaming bigotry towards others" statement is bothering me a bit, I hope you will clarify what you meant.
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