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| I'd like some conversation on the appeal of pedigree books. I know very little about pedigrees' and why they're appealling to some collectors. Why they command a premium and why they're considered important. To me, a pedigree book is a notation or acknowledgment of who originally owned the book. Why is this important and why does it command a premium? If we were talking a one-of-a-kind item belonging to an important figure, I get that. I am not criticizing pedigrees, I simply feel I do not understand the appeal beyond a famous person being the original owner....or is that the whole appeal? |
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| It's always nice to obtain a book for your collection that is unique, rare, and different. I only have a few file copy books and love them! Books that are like Gaines or Al Williamson File Copies stand out from the rest and add to the appeal of my collection IMO. | ||
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| Oh, I forgot to add, I do get your question. If a book is from the "West Coast Dog Pile" collection, do we really care? It kind of sounds like a gimmick to fetch a premium price for a book from a place we've never heard of. Or if a book is listed as "original owner", who cares? Aren't all books originally owned by someone? | ||
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| Most pedigree collections obtain that status for a reason. Usually they are a cut above as far as quality and many are among the best known examples of that particular issue. A book from a famous collection is an interesting and (usually)unique item and it does add a little spice to owning one. | ||
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@michaelekrupp I agree, I really like my NICHOLAS CAGE Collection book. |
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@michaelekrupp Also my RUBEN BLADES Collection book.  |
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| @OGJackster nice! | ||
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| @OGJackster Those really aren't pedigree books. They are books from a Collection belonging to someone with enough clout and money to warrant a Collection notation on the cgc label. Collection books and pedigree books are different. Pedigree collections are books from a single owner that were purchased by the owner off the newsstand. A collection of books are books bought by an individual from a variety of source on the secondary market. |
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 Probably the most famous one, the “Green River” pedigree. Once owned by a guy we were all sure was the Green River killer. They all have the date stamp on the cover. |
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| I have a couple pedigree books that I only ended up with because they were books I was interested in anyway. The only exception is the one Okajima pedigree book that I own. It was a book that fit my collection but not necessarily a book I really wanted. The Okajima story is quite fascinating and I'm really happy to have one. Here's a link to read about it. There's also a link in the article to a long thread on the CGC boards. https://www.goodgirlcomics.com/okajima/?fbclid=IwAR3fW3E6b-uNA8C63MCWSrooGOOkbzoLYHRdKOzQ2t3bPA-nti71XQEg9hQ And here's the book. It's not coded. I'm not really sure how the later books are identified. Also not a particularly rare or high grade book but still cool. I would like to have a camp coded book someday.  |
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| So a pedigree book adds a "provenance" to the book? A collection book is more "a famous person owned this book"? @doog That's crazy if the Green River pedigree is the murderer...is that proven or widely accepted as so? |
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Quote:Originally Posted by GAC No, it turned out it was some other whacko, but we were all so sure it was this Stevens guy who owned all the books they gradually stole from their dads drug store the pile got the nickname. And they were all together and easily identifiable by the red stamps. Back in the day there were all sorts of strange characters in the comic book racket, shows were primitive, stores were sketchy in many cases. Many of those guys are still alive but very old, a lot have passed on, sometimes rather colorfully. I probably own one or two Green Rivers, about time to take notice and look. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by doog It's amazing how this hobby has such an outwardly wholesome image but historically behind the scenes there's alot of shady characters and goings-on....fascinating! |
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 If the viagra is working you should be well over a 9.8.
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| The appeal is related to the history of comics, and collecting. To get a pedigree, books usually have to be original owner, in high grade, and a large number of important books collected over a good amount of time. And you have to get some amount of community buy-in, of course. The idea of some kid going to the corner store every week for years, getting cool books, and not just keeping them but keeping them in good shape (even if accidentally) appeals to the general idea of collecting. All of those factors combined point to a collection of unusual quality, as most other people at the time treated comics as disposable or only bought them here and there and don't have the sheer numbers. So I think there's kind of a romantic notion involved with a pedigree. Contrast it to someone who just drops a bunch of money buying keys and runs on eBay. Doesn't have the same feel. That said, I personally don't care. I agree there is a kind of mercenary feel to getting a cool collection second-hand, but on the other hand people can't help when they were born. If someone puts together a cool collection because they love comics, that works for me. |
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| @xkonk Very cool! Thanks! So pedigree's appeal to the collectors historical hobbyist sensibilities. It's more than the art and story and artist and writers involved in the book. The appeal is more emotionally based it seems. It's funny....I'd love to have my collection as a pedigree (mine doesn't qualify) but I'm not sold on paying more for a pedigree book. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by DrWatson That makes perfect sense. I do have 10 Davis Crippen "D" books. Here are 2 of them.   |
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A few aspects of this perhaps once stated but just in case...but...for my two cents owning a pedigree copy of something is authentication of the comic first. You know you have a legitimate copy...Second , many if not most pedigree books are very high grade or often the best grade of a given book known. Third and what most have mentioned here, you learn the history or backstory of the comic you might now own. I have a very few pedigree books, as generally the prices are preventive and we seldom get decent conventions close to my hometown.  This one is the Cosmic Aeroplane copy of the book. The Cosmic Aeroplane books get their name from the comic store they emerged from...and apparently belonged to a man who marked the margins of the pages he wished to draw or trace, as he was an art student or wanted to learn to draw. In this case the book is miscut, and not that great of shape, making it an affordable pedigree for me.  This TOS book is apparently the White mountain copy , and was affordable because someone seemingly use the back cover for scratch paper (WTF?)  I also have a Rocky Mountain pedigree Adventure book, because I am very fond of the Aparo Spectre covers. This one is a rather nice copy.  oh and I almost forgot, here is what the notations inside the Cosmic Aeroplane book look like, in case you ever see something similar. Apparently all the books from that Pedigree were similarly marked inside .  |
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| I am pretty sure once I went on comicpedigrees.com and read all the stories about the different collections I was sucked in. Who isn't interested in stuff like this? >>>> Considered one of the best Silver Age collections ever discovered, the Curator boasts an Avengers #1 in 9.4, an Amazing Spider-Man #1 in 9.6, an X-men #1 in 9.8 and a Tales of Suspense #47 in 9.9, among many others |
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| I think it's the provenance of the book - knowing who owned it first and where, coupled with the prestige of it. Anyone can own a copy of Random Book #17, but there's only one XYZ Collection copy of Random Book #17. | ||
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 To answer your question, no, this is not where the comics go to die.
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My wife and I get pedigrees once a month  |
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Quote:Originally Posted by the420bandito Rumor has it that the original owner of the Curator books sold them to fund sexual reassignment surgery. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by DrWatson I can't tell if you're being serious or not...is that true? |
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Quote:Originally Posted by GAC I don't know if it is true or not, but I have heard a few different people mention it. They are beautiful books. The storage on them was phenomenal. The whitest pages you have ever seen. Curator books are one of the pedigrees that make you understand the difference between a pedigree copy and a run of the mill copy. |
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