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As an add on to the thread about long term investment, name any book here to share your perspective or get feedback on the long term future. Anyone can play. Here's one, discuss please...good long-term investiment? Final issue of the series (becomes Incredible Science Fiction). "The Chosen One" (art by Wally Wood), "Vicious Circle" (art by Al Williamson with Roy Krenkel), "Genesis" (art by Reed Crandall), and "Adam Link in Business" (art by Joe Orlando; from the story by Eando Binder). Classic Frank Frazetta cover sometimes cited as the greatest comic book cover illustration ever. (It was originally drawn as a Buck Rogers cover for Famous Funnies 217 but altered slightly for its appearance here.) |
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| I happen to have that book. However I am pessimistic about the long term value gains in pre code horror or Sci FI, in comparison to the rate of gain with superheroes.I believe the market has shown clearly 1st appearances are where the fastest growth is. Re- Golden Age, the greatest increases will be in Superhero and Villain 1st appearances, outpacing Silver and Bronze in growth for DC anyway. Marvel the Silver main characters will grow the fastest. Although characters like Sub-Mariner and Captain America will have the greatest growth in their Golden Age key appearances with other publishers. Bummer as I have quite a few cool pre code horror and sci fi books. They will still appreciate I am sure. |
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| One thing that will always create interest is controversy. All the G.A. EC books have at least some long term potential, but that is especially true of books that are controversial (used in Senate hearings, SOTI, etc.), have classic/iconic art (such as the above), or both. Seriously, how long has the value of this book been increasing? I sincerely doubt it will sink without a trace anytime soon. This book will continue to have value and to increase in value for a good long while. There are just too few of them out there to meet demand - by a very VERY long shot. Want a flash in the pan? Go for one of the more recent books with all the artificial hype and a print run that could provide a small nation with a copy for each and every citizen. |
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| @doog While you are absolutely correct on long-term value for key super-hero books from the G.A. and S.A. (they have proven for decades that they are tenacious, and clearly not going anywhere), I suspect at least some of the rabid hype will start to die down once we start getting some less-than-awesome movies. We can see some of that already with Wonder Woman vol. 2 #7 & #9. Those were really moving until 'Wonder Woman 1984' came out and shocked everyone with some of the clunkiest special effects yet and a detrimentally ambiguous plot. The books aren't worthless by any stretch, but they were heading towards triple digits, and now they are priced far more modestly. Classics like various EC titles, however, are and have been solid for over half a century. They have appeal beyond comics fandom and that is something that will keep them going even if we get another Fantastic Four debacle (please, no... not another cruddy FF movie...) that starts to dampen the super-hero hype. |
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This is one I was after for a long time and finally bought. The price was relatively reasonable ($600) and I hope the character develops some legs. Being it is not a Marvel or DC 1st appearance might damage its long term value growth, although it is a DC character now. I figured it was a worthwhile risk, better upside than Space Ranger anyway. |
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| @doog I picked this book because I was thinking of putting it up for sale while the loooong term value discussion is going on. When I read that it's considered by some to be the best cover ever, I opted not to sell it. I agree with you for the next 5-10 years about key first appearances. But I'm sensing something in the wind that indicates that highly displayable covers will become more coveted in the future, and they seem to be getting harder to find. Maybe it's just my own bias, but I think that the introduction of slabs has started a slow process towards display covers. This book and Captain America 117 have had similar values in grade at parts of this year. I personally think this books display value as a trophy is 50X that of a Cap 117. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by doog I would personally put the Long-Term investment value at Above Average, probably a "B- to B+" Given my bias towards great covers, it doesn't fit that criteria. I think the more display worthy book in that same genre that is more likely to triple or quadruple over next 15 years is:  |
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| I think you are absolutely correct, EbayMafia, something I should have considered more in my hunt for 1st appearance investment books. I have the Showcase 17 too, it is a far superior cover. I was thinking more of how cool Captain Atom is, but Adam Strange is just as cool, and the 17 has proven to be a better investment. I had previously thought it was because DC will always be worth more than Charlton, but maybe that is not it. It’s the cover. I have this one too as an investment book. It doesn’t seem to move in value at all. Nor does my Strange Adventures 9, 1st Captain Comet.  |
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 An example of a book i feel will continue moving up...Cosmic Aeroplane collection, Nyoka the Jungle girl 16.... book is low grade and miscut, but was cheap and simple to get. Golden age, pedigree, good girl art and pre code |
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Quote:Originally Posted by EbayMafia This book should hold value but a few grades higher may be a better investment. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by andy49 @andy49 I think you make a very important and valid point. For major keys most of the grades may well increase in value at a similar percentage. But for 2nd , 3rd or 4th tier keys, it seems that the scarcity of the high grades is important to growth in value. |
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| My simplistic world view is cultural impact + scarcity = long term appreciation. Need to of course have relative comparables to understand the entry price today to complete the picture. Taking cultural impact out of the equation makes it more random (for me). For books and characters with significantly lower cultural impact, the investment part of my interest drops. I might buy a painting or piece of furniture purely because I like it. I may even pay a bit more money because I appreciate certain qualities of it. Not really an investment with financial returns - rather pure enjoyment returns and/or utility. I have many comics (most of my collection) that I see zero investment worth in. Now, they are not quite “expenses” either because I likely can get their cover price+ back, but it would be (for me) foolish to consider them part of an investment portfolio. Back to the OP. In my eyes low cultural impact (not zero though!), some by virtue of vintage and art in itself. I would need to have a sense of scarcity of the issue (not just grade) to have an informed view. Of course if you purchased it for $1, then outstanding long-term investment. $20,000, terrible long-term investment. |
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As I am sure many will note by now from my first few posts I am still quite new (or perhaps re-new  )to comic collecting, but in my short time here I have the impression that collectors as opposed to speculators are the people that will create long term value and from what I can see so far it is the artist in question more so than the cover character. Not saying cover topic isn't important as well just that the artist is more important more often than not. Of course, as with all things in life I am certain there are examples to counter this idea.Would the long timers agree? Interesting comment above regarding a shift towards cover visuals as opposed to overall book grade. I most definitely have fallen into that category with my recent purchase of a RAW FF #50 that presents visually well but is a 5-6 at best, largely because of spine rubs that don't appear when viewed straight on. With that in mind here's my book to add to this discussion. My goal in it's purchase was to find a Kirby cover with my favorite comic personality of all time - the Silver Surfer. Sadly, my childhood collection had no examples of the Silver Surfer on a cover. Happily, this was available at not too crazy a price. Anyways, to the point of this thread what do people think about the long term prospects for FF #50?  |
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| It is listed for 1,000,000.00 on eBay. Someone watched the listing in the last 24 hours. No, it wasn't me. AMAZING SPIDER-MAN #1 CGC SS 9.8 SIGNED & SKETCHED STAN LEE & 8 LEGENDS RARE  Personally, I wouldn't put down that amount for that book. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Towmater signed by Stan and 8 Legends!!! J Adams...wait that's Neals kid...so...LEGEND!! G Kirpatrick??? no idea who that is S Lydic????? ALL LEGENDS!!! |
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I see this book and most of Wrightsons work being classic, but the work put into HOS 92 and 1st swamp thing appearance make the book a must have. |
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This issue is both a golden age major key and a pedigree copy. I see room for growth here. Opinions? |
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Quote:Originally Posted by michaelekrupp Remember I'm the newbie here, but to me Casper is an example of a cultural icon relevant to my generation, but not sure my grandchildren will be interested. Mind you, I love it! |
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| Anyways, to the point of this thread what do people think about the long term prospects for FF #50? I felt for many years the FF run was undervalued. As an example I bought that book from an EBay auction 5 years ago for $100 where I was the only bidder, got a 7.0. My favorite Surfer cover by my favorite artist, no where to go but continued up IMO. |
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| Everything old will eventually be made new again. I think Casper is enduring character who will inevitably be re-presented to future generations in some form or another. Also interested to know what everyone’s opinions are on the long term prospects of pedigree copies, in this case a key book from a pedigree collection? | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by Sunvox I'm in the same boat...at 47 I know Casper...but I can honestly say I have no idea if my 14yr old has any clue who Casper is..or Richie Rich but Archie...well the TV show has re-invigorated that brand for a new generation. It's like Mutt and Jeff....I've hear of them but really have no idea who they are despite apparently being quite a hit at one point. |
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| When I started collecting for investment in 2009, my net was wide. Knowing what I know now I would have skipped any Turok, Tarzan, Western, Funny Animal. Pretty much every Dell, Gold Key and Charlton, (with a very few exceptions) based purely on investing. But I like and own a fair amount of all of those. Romance titles (carefully chosen) and early Archies have surprised me, there is a lot of value there and has been a lot of growth and sadly I only have a few. |
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How about these two books in the next 5-10 years?  |
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Long term you have to look at this book very seriously. Visit a con and see how many Spider Gwens you can spot...the girls all love this one, and they are becoming a voice in our hobby. It only has room to grow and is already up there a good ways |
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| @TellEmSteveDave Miles will be around for a long time. Lots of them slabbed but the character has staying power. My entry into all of this is Web of Spider-Man 36. It is the first appearance of Tombstone. Raw copies in very good shape can be had for less than 30.00. There are less than 600 of the book on the CGC census.  I believe that at some point, Tombstone is going to show up and have a big role in either the streaming Daredevil/Punisher series, or in a Spider-Man movie. If Miles Morales gets a live movie he would be a great fit to be a bad guy. He was in the Multi-Verse movie. You can tie in Robbie and the Daily Bugle into the story too without getting Disney mad at Sony. |
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| @TellEmSteveDave those will likely fall “long term” To elaborate - high print run in the modern era with high preservation rate equals literally tens of thousands 9.6+ grades out there and maybe 100k copies that will grade out 8+… no scarcity but lots of recent trend… so likely to suffer the same fate as 90s stars that spiked and then faded away. |
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| @Towmater your definition of long-term seems different than mine. I assume 10+ years and even that is “short” long-term. Census numbers mean squat for recent books at those price points. |
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| @Davethebrave Miles is going to be around for a long time. Sony hit the jackpot with the character and the rumor is that a live movie is in the beginning stages of development. Add in the fact, that Miles isn't a retread of Peter Parker. Also add in that children know who he is and like him. Throw that all together and you get magic. My son who is 8 and all his friends dig Miles. They were introduced to him via the Spider-Verse movie. They are going to get another dose of him next year in the follow-up movie. So, I'm going to bet the exact opposite of the way you are leaning in your post. My long term is about 10 years. My son is 8. I see him leaving comics around then. I'll be out at the lake storing his collection for his return to the hobby in his 30-40's. He'll return looking for something to relive all those good memories. Miles will be there just like he will be there for a lot of other middle-age dudes. Kind of like the late 80's and early 90's OA is there for many of the people now who were reading comics then. Why else would those pages be exploding in price? Older collectors have scoffed at most of those artist for years. They aren't buying it. |
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| @Towmater I didn’t doubt the character. I doubt the value. The value being ascribed to that issue is far too high. It will drop. |
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