The looong term future of comic values. What's your guess?16162
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Davethebrave private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Great, more competition for low grade AC1s… :-/ ;-) |
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| "Good investments" in comic books have staying power. We're talking AC1, DC27, AF15, IH1, etc. They will always be very valuable and - because of their scarcity - will likely get an ROI at some point. The vast majority of comic books are a gamble, which is why I always advise people not to "invest" in comic books. I'd rather see people buy comic books who are interested in keeping the medium and hobby alive. There will be a crash sometime in the next 50 years, for sure. Those 'sure things' will still have massive value, because there will still be competition for the absolute 'keys', but everything else will be considered reading material or dreck. |
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| I am a reader first and a collector second. As such I am more interested in content than commerce. However, I have been around this hobby for several decades and have seen many trends, booms and busts. I agree with the general sentiment expressed here that the best place to put your money as an investment is in golden and silver age keys. I think just about any golden age in fine or better is a safe bet. Moderns are another story. I think the 9.8 bubble we are seeing now will inevitably burst. Apologies to those who disagree, but time will bear me out on this. I would also be wary of any comic from the copper age on up that sells in the hundreds of dollars, as these do exist in great quantity and ultimately long term supply will outweigh the short term surge in demand. I am also beginning to become concerned about non key silver age issues. I do not see a bust coming here, but certainly a market correction, and I would avoid putting my money here, especially in anything but the highest of grades. There is money to be made investing in comics, but the safe money is long term investment in proven keys, not short term speculation. | ||
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| Hey guys, In 1992' I was reading the stock section of the newspaper (there was no internet back then) looking to learn how to and where to invest my money for retirement later on. I was 25 back then. I saw an add in the stock section on the Death of Superman. I though, wait, they can't kill Superman. Maybe I will get a copy as an investment. Well that book 29+ years later is easily bought for 10.00 in near mint condition. Just bought a few more recently for less than that. As I was in the comic store to get my copy, the comic bug bit me hard. So my collecting began. I was buying new books each month (up to 100 titles at one point) but I quickly graduated to the Silver Age and some Bronze Age books. Now I am a meticulous individual, and grade is high on my priority list. More than once I walked into the Orlando Mega-Con with several thousand in cash in my pocket only to walk out with 90+% of it because I wasn't able to find true near mint copies. Yeah, I missed many opportunities on many keys. But I held my ground on my belief that high grade was they best way to invest my cash. So one year at the con, after three to four hours of combing through thousands of books, I came across a guy at a tiny booth with 3 short boxes on his table and no wall hangers behind him. That's odd, I thought to myself. So I stooped and went through is small supply to find all of the books were pedigree copies. Some from the Diamond Collection and mostly from the little known at the time Boston Collection. The guy wanted double guide price on everything. After inspecting a few copies closely, I was hooked. I dropped over 2,000.00 right there. And continued buying more from the same seller for a few years as well as other Pedigree sellers. Keys and non keys. Just anything that was solid near mint 9.4 or better. Then I found a new interest and decided to sell a portion of my books. This was in 2004. CGC had really just come onto the market and grading was relatively new. This is where I met my friend Steve Borock. The returns I got were mind blowing. So, if you are going to invest in comics, Golden Age, Silver Age & some Bronze Age in solid near mint are highly recommended as well as Pedigrees are a solid investment at the right price. The seller I bought those first Pedigrees from still sells comics, but he now concentrates more on the original art from the comics. Covers & Splash pages are the best. You will most certainly make gains on these investments. |
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| I got out of my collection this year. Sold it all. Now, I buy for my son's collection. He and I hunt for keys for to add to his collection. At some point the bubble will burst. At that point, we will purchase more and expand his collection. The only run that I've thought about replicating with him is Miller's run on Daredevil. |
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| I expect that as our orbit deteriorates or the sun expands the value of comics will matter less and less as we are engulfed by the sun..... | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by KatKomics I disagree - as the electrical interference from the proximity to the Sun intensifies we will be looking to analog forms of information storage and entertainment. Comic books will be in great demand (except maybe not so much on the escape ships as mass is expensive to transport off planet . . . ) |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Davethebrave You're in luck.  I'm thinking I'll try for something less famous, but still hopefully rare and interesting. I was thinking about hunting down a copy of Action Comics #29 the second appearance of Lois Lane, and Detective Comics #122 the first appearance of Catwoman, but I think I need to slow down a bit and learn a little more before taking a plunge on either of those two.   |
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Quote:Originally Posted by KatKomics And, I thought I was a far thinker! You're not wrong about that  |
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| @Sunvox the odds of me buying any AC1 is roughly equal (and correlated) to hitting the powerball. Oh, and I almost never play the lottery. |
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| There are some keys that have hit rather high levels and will likely stay static in the near future or move only a bit higher as time passes. Many are the more new, hype books that groups on facebook an such thrive on.....I would offer that books like ASM 300, Hulk 180-181, New mutants 98, and ASM 129 are going to continue moving higher, but not as rapidly as many others. When you watch what Marvel has slate the coming few years, I think it wise to grab anything 12 cent high grade Fantastic four, x men silver age issues, Giant size x men 1, crossovers between the x men, avengers and or Fantastic four. The higher the grade the more movement is likely. Some of the silver grails in lower to mid range are solid takes. Hulk 1 shows around 1850 copies total in the entire census. That is a stunningly low number for such an important book.By comparison there are around 4200 copies of ASM 1. There are around 2600 copies of FF 1 on the census for CGC .....5250 copies of x men 1...etc. If you get a glimmering of a hulk movie coming run for it, cause at 1850 copies total, that one is headed out of the stratosphere....similarly a serious marvel take on the Fantastic Four will send that book to stellar levels.Both are amazingly short supply, and extremely key books. A copy even in 2.0-4.0 is a worthy target. Alot of people have noted that with all the action on marvel's side of the fence, DC silver keys are a bargain and they are correct. Most can still be afforded in higher grade...books like Showcase 22, Green Lantern 1, Flash 110, Showcase 37, most of the Adventure run from 300-400, Hawkman 4, an even the Star Spangled war stories books from issue 90-140 are tough to get in nice shape and will only get rarer. I try to stay away much from more modern books and variant covers, signed books in general (modern signed Books), and gimmick issues as they are mostly overhyped and will eventually level off. Also certain types of books always have a draw to them...with fans buying them just cause. Dinosaur covers, UFO covers, good girl art, monochromatic covers, all see some attention beyond the norm. My own take is there is no such thing as a bubble or the sky is falling silliness in the hobby. Comics have a track record for almost a hundred years now, beginning with those old ten cent cover price books till now. Through thick, and thin, war and famine, poverty and riches, comics have always gone on and up. It is observable that at some points they level off, or remain static a few years but you seldom see vintage books dropping in price rapidly or dramatically. The logic just is not there...most people who spend 5 k for a serious book and are watching will not panic sell if the market drops a few hundred dollars for six months before the book levels off and moves upward again. They bide their time, and when it moves back up it generally corrects above previous sales levels. If you wish to check that theory go through TOS 52 first black widow prices. When the new of the movie coming was trendy the book climbed quite high...then as the movie was held back and things took their toll the book leveled off, and even moved downwards a bit. Since then the movie has come and gone, old news. And the price on the book is even higher then before the release despite the fact the character was ended in the movie universe and will not likely be returning. Similarly verify using TOS 39 first Iron man prices, exact same scenario. The book soared ever higher over the past several years with all the movies. Now that story arc has ended, Tony Stark ended with it most likely in all aspects for the movie universe but the book has gone up and up even since then. It is riding higher than ever....no sky falling, no end of the world scenario happened. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Darkseid_of_town But . . . And this is way way way "what if" thinking that most people just roll their eyes at, BUT . . . what will those books be valued at in 50 or even 100 years. Why would someone in 2100 want to own a TOS 39? Would they instead want only an AF15 or AC1? Have comics become truly of inter-generational interest? That is (to me) an interesting question for which I have no answer. |
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| @Sunvox People like rare and unique things. There will always be a demand for things that stand out. With movies reinvigorating interest in comics, I would gamble in 50 years most comics that were in the movies will be still in this generation's minds. These kids that grow up in the MCU will look back with nostalgia when they have a surplus of money and do what this generation does. Hunt out books that remind them of the good ol days.... |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Sunvoxfollow the examples you have...already. Do people buy early superman and batman....they are both almost a hundred realistically. I think it gains in time rather than loses.... |
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Quote:Originally Posted by BronteTaking this a step further , in 50 or a hundred years, imagine the remakes of these marvel movies and what that might look like...imagine a viewing experience where you are immersed within the scenes, or can reach out and touch the characters....or even better be allowed to play one of the roles in the movie as it unwinds. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Darkseid_of_town Very, very interesting. You are expanding the world of "investable collectables" with those thoughts |
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| Ac1 in 50-100 years wont be merely “collectible” it will almost exclusively only be in the hands of billionaires/trillionaires. We are talking less than 200 copies - solid. Unlike more recent slabbed census numbers like Ih181 (15k-20k slabbed copies) that conceivably have tens of thousands more raw copies floating around, an AC1 is rare by universal standards. So I would not be surprised if the true surviving count of AC1 is under 200 copies. Take that number and consider its established staying power and its direct and broad appeal… and the sky is the limit. The main counterpoint arguments I would make (pun intended) are original compositions (manuscripts) of famous classical pieces from famous composers. They (the composers) have incredible staying power in popular recognition. Their pieces, while timeless and massively culturally significant, are no longer popular. They transcend mere contemporary popularity but - the basis for those pieces (the original manuscripts) are not really that valuable today. Of course still in the millions but not what we might expect. The difference for me is directness of relationship - we don’t associate the manuscript as directly with the music. We associate it as one part only - the playing, the instrument, the person itself, all contribute in more equal weights. To me this distinguishes an AC1 - it is closer to fine art or a very limited lithograph where no original exists… but I admit this is the risk. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Bronte This right here. All these 4-16 year olds loving this stuff right now are going to want to revisit it in their 30s. It might be a totally different experience, but people will always want originals. |
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