Roy Thomas says Wolverines first appearance is #18016093
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| Not sure why, but I never got 180. But given the significance I should prolly try.... | ||
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| Who says Hulk 180 isn't the first appearance of Wolverine? Has this ever been disputed? | ||
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| Absolutely true. #180 hasn't been considered as desirable as #181 over the years but Wolvie's first appearance is definitely in the last panel of #180. His first full-issue appearance and first cover appearance are both, obviously, in #181. |
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| of course everyone knows Jack Kirby introduced wolverine in a DC comic called Mister Miracle, in 1972! https://www.cbr.com/wolverine-mister-miracle-jack-kirby-mystivac/ well sort of anyways! |
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| Actually, Wolverine first appeared in Adventure Comics #327 (Dec 1964) as Lone Wolf, later called Timber Wolf, and was created by Edmond Hamilton and John Forte. | ||
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| Ah. The ol' cameo vs 1st appearance discussion eh? No thanks  |
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Quote:Originally Posted by DrWatson Thank you. Which makes you realize the the creation itself is not nearly as important as what is done with the character. |
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| Ok, ok, ok. Truth be told, I wasn’t familiar with either story until a couple years ago. I never had an original of either, nor a reprint. Nor did I look the story up on the interwebs. A while ago I had the opportunity to mess with a 180 and eventually own it, so I got to read it. I laughed at the last page because all I knew about the book was it was the “cameo” not the “first appearance”. I feel like I’ve learned some things since then so this article struck me as interesting being new to the topic. |
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Wolverine is there in all his glory in the last panel of #180. There really is no doubt. Luckily I have a 3.0 of both, good enough for me. |
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Need a 181 myself and a press for this one as I didn't know about it when I got this slabbed. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Bronte Consider that Wolverine is on the Cover of 181 and in one Panel of 180. You see back in the day people used to actually read comic books. And for a comic book to be reprinted was a pretty rare thing. So when a kid like me came into the industry after 1980 and found out about Wolverine, They wanted to read previous Wolverine stories. They didn't seek out the comic with Wolverine in one panel, they sought out the one with him on the cover and in the entire story. So you could go to the back issue box and find Hulk 180 for $2-$3 while Hulk 181 was always long gone from those bins. And that's how Hulk 181 became known as the first appearance of Wolverine while Hulk 180 is the literal first appearance of Wolverine. |
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| I would have to agree that 180 is the first appearance -Wolvie is even mentioned in a few panels before we actually see him on the last one. 180 has picked up value in the last few years (as 181 becomes unreachable!!) |
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| We all know the truth. The entire marvel universe is influenced by Charles Xavier. He used his powers to peer into the minds at marvel to create a comic series featuring himself and the creation of supporting characters of his choosing. Wolverine appears in Hulk to lead you back to X-men which leads you back to Xavier. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by EbayMafia@DrWatson is sleeping. He’s making muffins in the morning. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by EbayMafia Yes right on the money. I’ll add to that. The comic dealers from that era used to jump on anything (same today) to charge more for comics, low distribution, special edition etc.. so with the 181 cover being more attractive, more story they started charging $3 for 181 instead of the $1.50 for 180. One last thing if you were buying comics off the newsstand after 180 came out and before 181. What would be your answer to Wolverine’s first appearance? Pretty obvious. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by HeinzDad lol, Sleep well, sweet prince. It's gonna be a big morning. |
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 I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this.
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| I don't think there was ever any dispute that Hulk 180 is the 1st appearance of Wolverine. How on earth could there be a dispute when he's shown head to toe on the last page. The dispute was never 1st appearance...it was always which should be the money book or why isn't 180 closing the value gap to 181. |
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| probably the 100th time this discussion has happend. 180 has increased in price cause more ppl appreciate the "first" appearance - but to many 181 continues to be the first appearance nevertheless | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by OGJackster The way I understand it, an appearance can't be a cameo unless the character is known and established. 182 is a cameo. |
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| Cameo: Appearance by well known character (shortened def from Merriam-Webster). So, moot here. First Appearance: Exactly what it says. Hulk 180 First Full Appearance: First starring role in a book. Hulk 181 The people who say otherwise are those who paid a lot of money for 181 |
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| and then once you demonstrate it is the first appearance it becomes a moving goalpost as the argument then gets reshaped to say...first FULL appearance...ugh | ||
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Best to just make it an appreciation thread.  |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Siggy Quote: Originally Posted by sborock I don't need to see y'alls 180's and 181's again. I have enough sour grapes as it is! |
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| At least we can all agree on the 1st appearance of Venom and HIM. | ||
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