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Collector 2rideli8 private msg quote post Address this user
I'd like to know if anyone understands this : Amazing spider-man #101 - 6.5
spine stress, corner & edge wear to cover breaks color front cover
scratches & creases to cover breaks color front cover, tiny thin chips bottom right front cover
small foxing back cover & interior cover

Amazing spider-man #300 -5.5
spine stress breaks color
crease bottom left corner back cover breaks color
light fingerprints right front cover

#300 looks at a minimum to be 8.5 and that with a magnifying glass.

Maybe hubble could help
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You do know that the new guy brings the donuts, right? DWeeB1967 private msg quote post Address this user
Yes, I understand what the grader's notes are saying.
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Collector andy49 private msg quote post Address this user
that is a major color-breaking crease on the left back cover

chipping on the right back cover? something going on there

don't need hubble to see that
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Collector 2rideli8 private msg quote post Address this user
yeah that is very noticeable but my #101 has many more color breaks on the spine and still got a a grade higher

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You do know that the new guy brings the donuts, right? DWeeB1967 private msg quote post Address this user
@2rideli8 Are you hoping that someone will explain the issues to you? Here are a couple of examples of spine stress that breaks color:





I think the very large color breaking crease on the back cover is obvious. The length of that crease nukes any chance for an 8.5.




My suggestion is that you pick up a copy of the latest version of the Overstreet Grading Guide. It's a very useful tool when learning to grade comics.

Hope this helps and welcome to the forum.
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#300 looks at a minimum to be 8.5 and that with a magnifying glass.


This makes no sense. That giant color breaking streak across a substantial portion of the back cover is enough to drop it to a 6.0. Books with that large a crease will never get a grade above 6.5 at the highest. The fingerprint is enough to drop the book by multiple grades by itself. This with the other imperfections make the grade appear accurate, or maybe a bit high for that particular book.

The ASM #101 doesn't have fingerprints or a large crease through the cover, it should be given a higher grade. Multiple spine ticks although unsightly don't affect the grade as much as a large crease. I would definitely prefer a book with a color breaking crease on the back cover to a book with a bunch of spine ticks, but the grades appear correct based on the photos you've provided and you should be happy with them.

I would also suggest getting a copy of the Overstreet guide to comic book grading.
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Collector andy49 private msg quote post Address this user
several minor spine creases are preferred to that major back cover crease

that's what may be throwing you off
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Collector 2rideli8 private msg quote post Address this user
thanks , i don't need that explained . I also have a few overstreets. The 8.5 wasn't what i was looking for. My problem was #101 clearly had more defects than #300 and still got a higher grade.

Thanks for the input
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The big long crease on the back corner along with the side cracking would be the reasons. Front looks good. But the back kills the grade.
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thanks , i don't need that explained . I also have a few overstreets. The 8.5 wasn't what i was looking for. My problem was #101 clearly had more defects than #300 and still got a higher grade.

Thanks for the input


You're welcome, but both of these statements blatantly disregard the Overstreet grading standards, CGC's grading standards and CBCS's grading standards. You seem to be ignoring that the "type" of defect is as important as the amount of defects.
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Probably , i am a bit bias. It's shame clean and press job CBCS didn't remove the fingerprints.

thanks again i do appreciate it
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@2rideli8 Some fingerprints are so ingrained that they can't be removed.
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Probably , i am a bit bias. It's shame clean and press job CBCS didn't remove the fingerprints.

thanks again i do appreciate it


Fingerprints on comics oftentimes REMOVE the color instead of adding dirt, etc. on top of the color. If a person has something like hand lotion on his fingers when touching a comic the color can actually come off on his fingertips. There's nothing to be removed by a cleaning with those types of fingerprints.

I can't see the fingerprints in the pictures that you posted but that could be what's going on.
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If I could, I would. I swear. DrWatson private msg quote post Address this user
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Probably , i am a bit bias. It's shame clean and press job CBCS didn't remove the fingerprints.

thanks again i do appreciate it


Fingerprints on comics oftentimes REMOVE the color instead of adding dirt, etc. on top of the color. If a person has something like hand lotion on his fingers when touching a comic the color can actually come off on his fingertips. There's nothing to be removed by a cleaning with those types of fingerprints.

I can't see the fingerprints in the pictures that you posted but that could be what's going on.

What on earth would some guy who reads comics be doing with lotion on his hands?
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Probably , i am a bit bias. It's shame clean and press job CBCS didn't remove the fingerprints.

thanks again i do appreciate it


Fingerprints on comics oftentimes REMOVE the color instead of adding dirt, etc. on top of the color. If a person has something like hand lotion on his fingers when touching a comic the color can actually come off on his fingertips. There's nothing to be removed by a cleaning with those types of fingerprints.

I can't see the fingerprints in the pictures that you posted but that could be what's going on.

What on earth would some guy who reads comics be doing with lotion on his hands?


maybe he reads undergrounds
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You do know that the new guy brings the donuts, right? DWeeB1967 private msg quote post Address this user
@DrWatson Yea I knew there'd be a few comments like that when I wrote that sentence. 😄😄
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Thank you sir. May I have another? Siggy private msg quote post Address this user
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yeah that is very noticeable but my #101 has many more color breaks on the spine and still got a a grade higher


Two grades actually.
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Thank you sir. May I have another? Siggy private msg quote post Address this user
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Originally Posted by 2rideli8
Probably , i am a bit bias. It's shame clean and press job CBCS didn't remove the fingerprints.

thanks again i do appreciate it


Fingerprints on comics oftentimes REMOVE the color instead of adding dirt, etc. on top of the color. If a person has something like hand lotion on his fingers when touching a comic the color can actually come off on his fingertips. There's nothing to be removed by a cleaning with those types of fingerprints.

I can't see the fingerprints in the pictures that you posted but that could be what's going on.

What on earth would some guy who reads comics be doing with lotion on his hands?


maybe he reads undergrounds

Maybe Jame Gumb tossed it down the well for Catherine to read.
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I would also suggest getting a copy of the Overstreet guide to comic book grading.

Much like last year with the OSPG, I bought my first copy of the grading guide just last week. Always good to have a physical reference, and something that has been historically significant to the hobby.
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Originally Posted by 2rideli8
Probably , i am a bit bias. It's shame clean and press job CBCS didn't remove the fingerprints.

thanks again i do appreciate it


Fingerprints on comics oftentimes REMOVE the color instead of adding dirt, etc. on top of the color. If a person has something like hand lotion on his fingers when touching a comic the color can actually come off on his fingertips. There's nothing to be removed by a cleaning with those types of fingerprints.

I can't see the fingerprints in the pictures that you posted but that could be what's going on.

What on earth would some guy who reads comics be doing with lotion on his hands?


I guess you forgot how McFarlane used to draw MJ!
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