Frank Miller Sketch covers Signed by Stan Lee at Comic Link15913
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| 2 Frank Miller drawn sketch covers that were signed by Stan Lee ended last night. One was a 9.6 New Avengers #1 with a Daredevil sketch and the other was a 9.8 Nova V2013 #1 with a Nova sketch on it. The placement of Stan's signature was right on top of Miller's drawing on Nova book. New Avengers/Daredevil Auction The 9.6 New Avengers #1 went for $800.00. Nova Auction The 9.8 Nova V2013 #1 went for $885.00 I understand that many don't like Miller's current drawing style. If you don't then the following observations aren't for you as you wouldn't be buying either book. Miller is know for Daredevil. How the drawing of Daredevil went for less was a surprise outcome of both auctions. The placement of the Stan Lee's signatures on both books made the New Avengers book with the Daredevil book more appealing to the viewer. I believe that whomever got the books was a smart collector(s). Stan Lee isn't signing anymore books, Miller does sketches but he isn't putting them out at the rate he did a few years ago, and the opportunity to get a yellow label with both of them on it is something of the past. Combine the above with the fact that Miller charges $1250.00 for a full body sketch cover and I believe that in the future both of those book will go for much more than the hammer price last night. Although, I think the Daredevil book will bring a bigger return as people wouldn't be buying it for the grade. I'll be following the Stan Lee signed Spider-Man Frank Miller sketch cover that starts in the next auction. Does anyone know what the Stan Lee signed Elektra Frank Miller sketch cover that ended on 10-5-21 went for? |
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| @towmater - Nice observation and commentary | ||
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| @Towmater I agree with A Lot of what you said. Signature placement and sketch quality can be crucial, and the same goes for how common a signature is and whether a creator is still signing or not. Also, DD is a signature character for Frank Miller, and Nova is not. IMHO, whoever bought that New Avengers got a steal. | ||
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 If the viagra is working you should be well over a 9.8.
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| Not sure if the obnoxiously long URL will work, but this one? It's an Avengers #7. It went for $750. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by xkonk You weren't kidding. My poor, aged computer loaded and loaded... and loaded, and then...  OMG, Elektra! What are you doing with your hands! You look like you need the Little Assassin's Room and you're trying to manually stem the tide! I'd hide behind my hair, too... |
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| Yikes!! CGC has a Frank Miller sketch thing going....not sure I would want a Miller sketch but $725 for a head sketch and $1325 for a full body - I figure I would want that in person and in my sketch book rather than a blank cover - would at least like a few minutes to talk to the man while he sketches too!! in USD to boot...maybe a head sketch some time in the future? (if at all) |
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| @Byrdibyrd yeah, I'm not a fan of Miller's current style, but that Elektra is Not Good. The Daredevil is fine, the Nova is ok. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by xkonk I am forced to agree. Frank Miller's art is awesome and he still has it in him to produce amazing stuff, but... I've been less-than-inspired by some of his work of late, and especially not for how much he charges. $$$ |
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| All of it just feels so inauthentic to me. A Frank Miller sketch of Daredevil on New Avengers 1 blank cover. Signed by Stan Lee. I don't get it. | ||
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| @EbayMafia I can't argue. There is something of the money-grab vibe going on. Why not get the sketch on a nice copy of DD #181? Plenty of space on that cover for a sketch. Very thematically appropriate, too. If you don't have a Miller comic for the sketch, then a sketchbook or high quality paper. The advantage to sketchbook/paper is that then the Stan Lee signature works, too, as long as the character is one of his creations. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by EbayMafia I don't believe that anyone who bid on or won the DD sketch cared that it was on a 9.6 graded book, nor that it was on a New Avenger's cover. To me, it is about the item being a DD sketch by Miller, signed by Stan Lee, and witnessed by a reputable company. It went for a price that was lower than I expected. I didn't notice it but that is a red signature Stan Lee yellow label with the Spidey web shooter hand. Those aren't produced any longer and they only came from Stan. The were some sort of official brand thing CGC did for him. |
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| Stan Lee sigs are extremely common. Winning bidder likely overpaid. | ||
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| The 2 other books in that auction with sketches of that aren’t the same quality (1 poor signature placement) went for slightly lower and higher amounts. eBay sales indicate that full body sketch covers over the last couple of months have sold for 1699.99 (Wolverine), 1919.99 (Elektra), and 1250.00 (Batman). The Batman book wasn't graded. A very similar quality full body sketch of Harley Quinn sold for 2159.99 very recently on eBay. None of those books had a Stan Lee signature on them. Heritage and eBay have recent CGC slabbed sketch covers of Batman’s head that went in the 600.00 range. Neither of those had Stan Lee signatures on them. While it is possible that the buyer did overpay for the item. The above seems to indicate that the book was sold below market value. |
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| Personally, I would find it amusing if Stan Lee were to sign Batman or Harley. | ||
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| @Towmater I dunno. I found plenty of cheaper examples. Just because some people overpay doesn’t make these sales any better (value). The sketches you cited both have either some or a lot of inking too. Also, Stan’s sigs on these seem superfluous. In fact, in one case he signed first and then it was sketched over (around?) Odd. Just shows you how people got his sig on everything and anything for monetary gain. Too common, and in this case, makes the whole less than the sum of the parts. Overpaid. |
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| @Davethebrave As far as your "inking" comment - on the Batman Miller blackened it in. The Wolverine has a little shadowing on the legs. Both sold for more than the DD sketch. While the Wolverine is the strongest drawing out of the three I'd still take the DD at the price it sold for. The Harley Quinn that was 2159.99 looks very similar to the DD.  I found a Colossus that has a Stan Lee signature right on top of it that sold in July for 710.00. Very similar to the three sketches that sold in the Comic Link auction. It sold in the same neighborhood in the last 3 months.  Please share the examples you found. I'd like to see them. That way I can see how volatile the market is, the dates on the sales, the venue on the sales, and why you keep writing "overpaid". |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Byrdibyrd  That's from a website called Rare-T. If you do a search for DC comics signed by Stan the Man you'll find he signed a few. Quote: Originally Posted by KatKomics I read the small print across the street. Miller is only doing 20 full body sketches. It looks like there isn't a limit on the head sketches. If there is please accept my apologies. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Davethebrave ^ This I remember standing in line at Wizard World ten years ago to get my FF 52 signed by Stan. Guys in line had arm loads of items - like 20 or 30 different things. I was there with my one book  |
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| @Towmater sorry but I think you misunderstood me. I am valuing a Stan sig in this context as zero or near zero. I am comparing to other Miller sketched and signed. Based on those, the buyer overpaid. Because the market places a typically limited (though volatile) value random Stan sigs. To me a book that was signed by Stan and then “sketched around” the sig is a bit bizarre to put it mildly. I am a fan of Frank Miller and think I have a few signed books by him. Fan of what Stan did, especially his marketing acumen and him really trailblazing the business. I think I have a couple sigs of his too. I don’t like those combos above. I also think Stan sigs will continue to go down in most cases because supply is absurdly high. Almost laughably high. In some logical books - great. But, seriously, it was just an income stream for him in later years and it was milked. I am a supporter of creators getting their cut. He got that and then some. I think those books sold too high. I would not personally buy them. I overpay for stuff more often than I’d like to admit. Nothing wrong with that. But those were not deals in my view. Overpaid. |
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| @Davethebrave So, you are comparing apples to oranges. In other words, your comparisons aren't comparisons. The next Comic Link auction holds 2 more books in it that are Miller full body sketch covers signed by Stan. One is a Punisher and the other is a Spider-Man. Neither are something I place a bid upon. It should be interesting to see if either or both end up in the same range on the books I'm writing about. |
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| @Towmater agreed. Poor comparisons other than to say that based on your examples, the Stan Lee book doesn’t add value - it may even reduce value. When randomly applied. When you take a Stan sig and apply it logically (or perhaps where it won’t detract) it will likely add value. How much? Depends. |
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| @Davethebrave Least I forget, you gloss over the fact that the thread is about slabbed yellow copy sketch covers and seek to turn it into if an added value on Stan's signature thread. Yes, Stan signed a lot of books that are slabbed. Todd McFarlane signs a ton of books twice a year that end up being slabbed. So do many other creators. There is a segment of the hobby that collects yellow labels. Its what they dig. Apparently, they gobble up a large number of them. CGC seem to run events bumping those books to the front of the grading line when it happens. There must be some reason for doing that. While Stan's signature is on the book I don't think it is what causes the book to be undervalued. It is undervalued because Miller drew Daredevil on it, he doesn't return to that character often, and for a later example of his work it shows he spent time on it compared to other many of the other sketch covers on eBay at much higher prices. Stan's signature is in an acceptable place on the DD cover. Also, it is on a red signature Stan label which narrows the amount of possible duplicates that might be like it on the market. I think Stan's signature becomes a bigger draw as you have two titans signatures on a cover when both aren't signing books any longer. |
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Looks like the Miller Daredevil book was a pretty good buy. The hammer prices on the Punisher and Spiderman sketch and signed copies were: Of the 4 books, the drawing that appeals to me the most is the Daredevil one. As an added bonus, Stan didn't sign over Miller's drawing too. |
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