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Dalkiel private msg quote post Address this user | |
| It bugs me when they change the race or sex of an existing character. Can't they just come up with new characters and stories!!!!!! Or are these smarty pants writers and artists who never read the old comics too lazy to come up with their own stuff!!!???!! |
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| I don't really have a strong opinion about what is created based on an agenda. It's their money and their company, they can do as they see fit. It's an option that I can choose to watch or choose not to watch. I have a bigger problem with what doesn't get made, or what gets taken away in pursuit of an agenda. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by DalkielExactly. Johnny Storm was a black kid and Sue was white in one of the FF movies. In Daredevil, Kingpin was changed to black. In Deadpool, Domino was changed to black. Snake Eyes was changed to Asian. Nick Fury was changed to black. Why change existing characters we grew up with? Just make new ones ffs.... |
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| I should write a macro to say this... Who Cares. As long as the stories are good, I'm in. If the stories suck, then they deserve to lose money. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by GanaSoth Just for fun, I will ask you guys the same question back. It's a business, it's about growing an audience. What would be the monetary value of not changing some of the characters? If we set feelings aside and do only what's best for revenue? |
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 If the viagra is working you should be well over a 9.8.
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| Why do we have a thread based on comic book Breitbart? Their rationale for movies being 'woke' is that they have women or Asians in them. We should all save our brain power for more important things, like considering which hand to wipe with. | ||
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GanaSoth private msg quote post Address this user | |
| @EbayMafia obviously changing the characters aren't working for them. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by EbayMafia Makes me wonder if Kevin Feige is having second thoughts on the subject? |
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Quote:Originally Posted by xkonk Wipe? The cultured amongst us have bidets. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by xvipah That's just it. The stories do suck. Just like the last season of Doctor Who. Female Doctor Who; that's fine. Preachy condescending stories disguised as science fiction episodes; not fine. |
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| That’s a matter of personal taste. The only Marvel movies I thought sucked were Thor: The Dark World, Iron Man 2 & 3 & Captain Marvel. That’s a fair success rate in the big picture. |
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 Have I told you about the time I dropped off 3,000 comics at SDCC?
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| Movies, especially fictional movies, are supposed to be for entertainment and even escapism. They should not be agenda driven. They should properly develop characters and not throw in last minute characters, or change whatever orientation of a canon character because some feel underrepresented. For me, I have/had been equally looking forward to Dr. Strange, Shang Chi, she-Hulk, Adam Worlock, and Silver Surfer movies - not because the lead character represents my ethnicity, gender, etc. I look forward to them for the action, adventure, mysticism, and some resemblance to story lines that i had read and enjoyed. Let’s take Captain Marvel. Huge bust for me. Did I know white male alien Capt Marvel was dead and figure there would be a Danvers Marvel? Of course. The production didn’t give any newcomer to capt marvel, nor older fan, any development of the before and after characters that made any sense. Now the next installment, if it actually comes to fruition, is going to be further chopped up with the latest inclusion arc. I don’t care if there is inclusion and diversity in movies/tv…as long as it makes sense, is properly developed, and not inclusion for inclusion sake. |
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| Everything's a matter of personal taste. There's people who loved the latest Hellboy <gag> movie. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by GanaSoth I agree. Leave the original characters alone!! Make new ones if they want to BUT DON'T CHANGE THE ORIGINAL CHARACTERS!! |
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Quote:Originally Posted by DalkielI agree 100% it's annoying what they are doing. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by OGJackster Y'see? This is what I love about my collection; the characters will always stay the same. What Marvel does with their lack of imagination can't make them any less awesome than they are to me. In fact, they're helping make them even more so. IBTL |
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| There are some cases in which I do think that Marvel Studios is "woke", such as certain changes in The Eternals. I wasn't going to see The Eternals anyway, though. Overall, I don't think that much of Phase 4 appears to be "woke", Shang-Chi included. However, Love and Thunder is my biggest concern. Jane Foster Thor was awful in the comics and I don't think that they can make the character work within the MCU. I also want to see Thor inherit the Odinforce, which would require reclaiming his title as King (that was aimlessly thrown away in Endgame). |
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 I'm waiting.... (tapping fingers).Splotches is gettin old! |
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| I think we may (not are) but may begin to see the decline of the MCU. I have to believe no one saw this phenomenal success as forever. The horror genre may reinvigorate; but I dunno. Just through the comments on this thread, there are clearly those that are not happy lately - be it "woke" or be it re-hashing the same story or the pandemic, or be it meh storytelling or be it other factors. The root cause doesn't really matter, because there is an overall increasing displeasure beginning to surface, instead of that insane excitement of the 1st 3 phases. The cracks are starting to show; and my worry now is will it reflect on <at least> the Marvel portion of the comics hobby itself. We have enjoyed 11 years of incredible gains. I won't even mention the loss of the tremendous excitement of going to see the next MCU movie. We will see and I genuinely hope I'm wrong about the movies and that this is just a small lull in the overall pantheon of MCU movies past, present and future. To ignore folks thoughts though, for whatever their reason is, is putting blinders on. That think tank over in Feige land needs to take note it is happening and adjust |
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If the viagra is working you should be well over a 9.8.
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Quote:Originally Posted by DrWatson Yeah, but this thread isn't for those folks. |
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| @Nuffsaid111 you’re not wrong. To me; The MCU was ok at best in the beginning. The movies got better and better. Lately my experience is the writing is not as good and the execution on the production/ direction side is not as good. I’m seeing reversion to to early 2000s 🤢 | ||
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theCapraAegagrus private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by Nuffsaid111 That would be nice. It's been awful for a long time IMO. |
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| @Nuffsaid111 MCU is in definite decline. The best comic show right now is DC (Doom Patrol) and the best recent movie was DC (Suicide Squad). MCU shows and movies have gone down dramatically in quality since (and some before) Infinity War. It is only the emotional investment of having everything tied together that has kept interest up… The end is nigh. |
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Can't wait for MCU Phase $ -- when their big summer blockbuster is... |
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Quote:Originally Posted by MatterEaterLad I heard they're going to make him Orange.... |
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Towmater private msg quote post Address this user | |
Oh, a retread of the Batman: Robin coming out as bisexual thread.  |
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esaravo private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Why doesn’t DC make a Deadman movie? He has the ability to possess anybody’s body. You could be true to the source material and have as diversified a cast of big stars and unknowns as you want. It could be great. Have Deadman off camera talking about his search for justice - “I am Boston Brand, or used to be a long time ago. Here is my story.” Then a flashback to his death, set decades before the current time. Think of the setting, an old-time circus, it would be visually stunning. Families laughing at the clowns, elephants and lion tamers, the whole nine-yards. Then during the trapeze act, that shot rings out. Then they show Brand in the current day, maybe 20 or 30 years later, as a young man or woman. Then more flashbacks explaining some more parts of his story. And each time they come back to the present, Brand is someone else. Kind of like Quantum Leap, but more serious. What do you think? | ||
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| @esaravo good idea. The only Deadman I read was the two issue prestige format that came out around 1990 |
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 I haven't aired it out. It's part of the provenance.
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Galen130 private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by Nuffsaid111 My opinion pretty much falls in line here. When Disney basically took over the Star Wars and Marvel franchises (so to speak), I envisioned a bloated product getting beat to death. I’m old school, and commercializing entities such as these is mainly a greedy money grab. I believe that executed ideas like this usually start falling apart because of over-reach in changing and/or adding to a product with very little thought except for making money. This tends to lead to a fractured product and loss of interest if it’s not maintained properly. I don't see it being much different than a speculated stock market, or comic buying and selling for that matter. This is just the opinion of a Gen X’er. 🤙  |
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| @esaravo I'd rather see an Impulse movie that is made in the same lighthearted way that Shazam was done. That way I can take my 8 year old to a comic book related movie and introduce him to another character. | ||
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