CBCS versus CGC - your best pitch15516
 I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this.
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| I can rant all day about why I don’t use CGC, but I will give you 1 simple fact for using CBCS for PC books. CGC puts a sheet of MIP (micro interleaving paper) in your book before encasement. MIP has a specific shelf life and a CGC slab shelf life is ~8 years. Once the MIP has reached its capacity of absorbing the natural off-gassing of our books then our books are left to stew in their own filth until re-slabbed. CBCS does not use MIP. The CBCS slabs are not air tight which means our books can breath and survive long term ( longer than properly stored/maintained bagged & boarded books and potentially indefinitely) without being affected by their own off-gassing. I thought I was going to spare you some ranting but you get it anyway. Idk where all of the hullabaloo about “CGC sells for more” comes from; I haven’t seen it personally in my few CBCS slab sales. Maybe I just don’t have enough data yet. Use who you want, but CBCS is the clear winner for me regardless of monetary or sentimental value. Call me a CBCS fanboy or CGC hater. Either way I’ve done much research on simply the best options for preserving books. CBCS hands down is currently the best slab option. |
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| @HulkSmash Are the books I've had slabbed over the years by CGC in danger of being destroyed if not re-slabbed? Marty |
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| @martymann - That’s how I took his post as well. | ||
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 would be nice to have a snugger fit.
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| @martymann CGC used to say books needed to be reslabbed every 7 or 8 years for the reason HulkSmash stated. CBCS gets more popular, they have vented cases and suddenly CGC is saying "okay, we were wrong". Maybe it was just a money grab by making people believe this. Or maybe they were right and they are just claiming there is no need to reslab now. Either way, I don't trust them on this. |
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| If re-slabbing is necessary after 8 years I would think the date of CGC encapsulation should be required information when a book is offered for sale. Marty |
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@Drogio Quote:Originally Posted by Drogio I do. I guess I knew I would get some really great comments that would nudge me in the direction I was already leaning?  |
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Quote:Originally Posted by martymann The cgc does provide the date graded when you run the certification number through their web site. That's the one thing I wish CBCS would include in their grader's notes. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by DrWatson I guess this means my ALL WINNERS might be being destroyed.  Marty |
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| I doubt it. The debate about micro chamber paper is what happens once it has absorbed all that it can absorb. Does it just sit there and do nothing or does the trapped contaminates endanger the book? I've always thought that if a book can survive an attic, a garage, or a shed, then a scrap of mcp isn't going to do it much damage. If it bugs you, get it reholdered at the cgc or graded through CBCS. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by martymann I wouldn’t say destroyed, however the use of MIP is counter-intuitive if you do not replace it when necessary. The only logical outcome for a comic that cannot get rid of its off-gassing is faster degradation which would also be counter-intuitive for the preservation aspect of slabbing. There are plenty CGC slabs untouched for years that are fine. The unknown eventual outcome is the sketchy part and I have to think “is this worth the expense/ can I afford to re-slab as routine maintenance of my collection”; especially for high value books. How many times can do this before something goes wrong and how many times before I exceed the value of a book in costs of this potential maintenance? |
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| Plus one assumes that there is even mcp in there. I have cracked out several books from the cgc that had no mcp in them to begin with. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by DrWatson Valid points Quote: Originally Posted by DrWatson Maybe they don’t use it anymore. The few I have cracked had MIP/MCP |
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Quote:Originally Posted by DrWatson I'd like that info too...PGX puts it right on their label (not sure if they still do) but that's 1 thing they did/doing right IMO. |
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| @martymann from everything I have read, no. | ||
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| @martymann sorry for concerning you. That debate does not have a definitive answer. When in doubt I nitpick these things. | ||
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I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this.
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| This is my logic. Off gassing: it's real and it's not a good thing I am told. Microchamber Paper: created to address this and catch/trap off gas. Microchamber Paper: has finite capacity to capture off gas. If off gas is indeed bad and microchamber paper has a finite capacity then keeping a filled MCP in your books indefinitely can not be a good thing....hence changing it out must be done. If off gas is not real/not harmful then there's nothing to worry about. If off gas is harmful then microchamber paper must be replaced once filled because its filled with bad stuff that's in your comics...I.e. you need to re-slab CGC books. |
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 The apple sauce and pudding were the best part...
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| Stupid question. There may not be a knowable answer but, wouldn't the MCP , be the same as a normal comic page in the book after its usefulness is expired? My thoughts are that if the impurities are static in amount you diffused it by spreading in one more page. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Bronte That's a great question...my understanding is cgc cases do not vent which is why trapping them in a mcp is problematic...if cgc cases do indeed vent then it's less of a problem. |
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The apple sauce and pudding were the best part...
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| If this article is correct. It would seem that the cases are not water proof and eventually water and possibly air will vent in. https://thecollectorsresource.com/blog/getting-to-know-your-cgc-comic-book-cases/ Edit https://forum.cbcscomics.com/topic/5399/old-vs-new/ Post 8 says no to reholdering after every few years..... |
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would be nice to have a snugger fit.
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Quote:Originally Posted by ERB_in_CLT My opinion... If you're just keeping them then go for the more aesthetically pleasing of the cases/labels. For me, that's CBCS. The subtle label with the just large-enough grade and no obnoxious price-sticker-looking grade box or hologram is much nicer (not to mention Newton rings). Preferably the label itself would be smaller at maybe 1" high, but as-is, it's still the nicest looking label available from any of the grading companies. I'm a "book first, grade second" kind of collector... many are the opposite. Since your goal is not selling then the little extra cash you'd get is not worth settling for the CGC labels (again, my opinion). Regardless, the edge on resale will get smaller as more and more people have been moving from CGC to CBCS, which has been happening for awhile. But for now, here are the battles: 1) Those who have been using CGC and just want to keep all their slabs the same. 2) Those heavily invested in CGC slabs and preach that the resale is "much higher" to protect/justify their collection. 3) YouTubers, etc. who are CGC loyalists and get perks for promoting them. 4) "Authorized" CGC dealer status, keeping people loyal. They don't care about TATs and the QC issues are low in relation to their quantities of submissions. This is the big one. A lot of people aren't interested in paying for memberships and don't realize how simple submitting books is so they just take them to their LCS, who happens to be CGC authorized. I would like all my slabs the same but it's not worth the wait/cost/extra worry about QC and bad grades that seem pretty rampant this last year. Like someone else said, if CBCS says it's a 9.8 I believe it's a 9.8. I've seen so many reports from people online showing over-graded books from CGC. I haven't seen this from CBCS but it could be out there somewhere. So... if things go well with the 43 books currently sitting at CBCS with a status of "submitted" for the past month-and-a-half, I may just switch for good. We'll see. |
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| Has anyone experienced any actual damage? Marty |
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Quote:Originally Posted by martymann Not that I know of, and there have been lots of discussions if this is even necessary, as the slabs are not airtight. I have a few CGC slabs that are more than 8 years old. I am not losing any sleep worrying about having them reslabbed. Maybe I will get them switched to CBCS someday, but that is not high on my to do list right now. |
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| I keep the older old school cgc slabs. So when I go to sell I can ask outrageous prices for the CPR people. |
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| I like the older labels because they come from the Borock era and the grading is more on point. | ||
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If 8 years is the ballpark lifespan and reslabbing really IS necessary, shouldn't CGC be recalling all the modern labels by now? |
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| You're only going to get fanboy responses here. Oh, and if you posted at CGC, you'd get fanboy responses there, too. You'd simply get a lot more responses over there, with good reason. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by HulkSmash CGC slabs don't have a "shelf life", and they also are not air-tight. |
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 I had no way of knowing that 9.8 graded copies signed by Adam Hughes weren't what you were looking for.
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| If you prefer to drop your books off at shows CBCS is the only game in town. CGC isn't doing it anymore. |
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