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@drchaos Good to know. There is always next year  |
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| @jake she also does signings at local shops. Think she was just at third eye comics for a signing when the tpb came out. | ||
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| @Sebastsk8 Cool. Been meaning to hit Third Eye. They have a pretty good back issue section when I call them. Annapolis is along the way to the beach and fishing. Just more convenient to order from MCS. | ||
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 I had no way of knowing that 9.8 graded copies signed by Adam Hughes weren't what you were looking for.
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| @jake I was surprised Third Eye wasn't set up at Baltimore. A lot like Midtown skipping out on NYCC this year. |
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| @drchaos Now that you mention it, Third Eye wasn't on the list this year. Could be hard staffing the event. I bought Sandman #1 from Midtown many years ago. I was late coming to the party, starting at issue #22 in the middle of the Seasons of the Mist story arc. That was the series that got me back into comics, so of course I had to get #1-21 On Sunday, I submitted my biggest order to-date, 75 comics. Now, the waiting game, lol... |
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Quote:Originally Posted by drchaos If creators would limit the amount of books people could get signed it would make the con experience more enjoyable. Yes, even the people that witness for the grading companies. |
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| @Towmater I liked the way Michelinie had his set up last time, if there were more than 10 people in line you were limited to 5 books I believe it was. If less than that then he would sign as many as you'd like(within reason). | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by Sebastsk8 @Sebastsk8 I'm old school, nothing aggravates me more than seeing a person stroll up with a stack of comics for a creator to sign. It means that the line is going to be held up longer. 2 or 3 books should be the max. I watched a witness for yellow labels dump a huge amount of comics at one creator's booth and stroll off. How come a witness can drop comics off, not stay and "witness" them being signed, but certain grading companies won't take your average collector's word about who signed the books? Its the same thing. The witness NEVER saw them get signed. You are taking people's word that the books got signed by that creator. Why is a witness' word better than your average collector? It shouldn't be. (If the rules surrounding witness signature has change then I'm all for it. If not, I think I have some valid questions). At least in the card industry, the witness has to be in the room with the signer to make sure he/she is signing the cards. |
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| @Towmater I saw that happen with the Joe Quesada signing, books were dropped off and he signed them when he had time and they picked them up later. Tons of ghost rider books, not sure which issue. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by Towmater @Towmater I'm with you. The dreaded short box on a roller cart with a stack of books to be signed. This is what happened with George Perez at East Coast Comicon a few years ago. Total shit show. Waited in line for 2hrs to be told he was done for the day. |
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| @Towmater @Sebastsk8 @Hcanes The worst! I missed the cutoff to Kevin Smith because of that. //Bitter! | ||
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| I've been lucky so far I think. Got everyone I wanted this year minus the few that canceled. In 2019 I got some that I wanted, but I wasn't looking ahead at who was there to plan what books to take...Crain was there and I wish I had taken advantage of that opportunity. Love his style of drawing. He had basically no one in line either, could have gotten a sketch done with no problem. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Hcanes George is a great guy, and way too nice so he'd never do this... If someone wheels up more than 10 books to be signed the creator should be able to say, I'll sign two of those with just my name. The rest I sign the following way: To Bill (or whatever the flippers name is) with the creator's name underneath it. If it is for a personal collection then it shouldn't matter. No flipper in the world would allow that. If they balk at the idea, then you go to Stan Lee pricing after the first 2. In other words, after the first 2 it is $100.00 for each book to be signed. |
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| @Towmater Some people had similar pricing. Albeit not 100, but first couple free and then charging per book after that. Although I will admit I got about 10 signed by Michelinie in 2019, Venom and Carnage are also what got me into comics basically. His books are a major part of why I collect, so I got a bunch of issues that were key or had amazing covers for him to sign. And looking through the guest list from BCC...I guess this was the first year Neal Adams didn't go? So many people I missed out on then...adams, Lee, Sakai, steranko, wolfman...hopefully some of them come next year, I'll make sure I'm fully prepared  |
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 I'm waiting.... (tapping fingers).Splotches is gettin old! |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Towmater pffft.... that's my name. I resemble that comment  |
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| At NYCC Sean Gordon Murphy would sign the first 5 books for free before he started charging. I thought this was the right way to do things. If the signatures were for CGC/CBCS I think he charged $20 per |
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 If the viagra is working you should be well over a 9.8.
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Quote:Originally Posted by Hcanes I was at this show. No more East Coast Comicon's for me. |
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I had no way of knowing that 9.8 graded copies signed by Adam Hughes weren't what you were looking for.
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Quote:Originally Posted by xkonk I got on that line about five minutes before they opened the doors and still waited four hours to get signatures. Worst line I waited on at any show ever. EDIT - The show I referred to is when George Perez announced he was going to stop doing shows (maybe one a year after that). At that show there was a limit (five books I think). |
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I had no way of knowing that 9.8 graded copies signed by Adam Hughes weren't what you were looking for.
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Quote:Originally Posted by Towmater If they limited attendance the lines would be shorter but the artists and vendors would make less money. Limiting the number of books people can sign has the same effect on the artist. Even the artists that sign for free because the show is paying them upfront would receive less money. Some things that we do not like help the hobby and its creators in the end. |
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| @drchaos that's part of the reason I liked the way Michelinie did it. If no one was in line, go ahead and get all ya want signed. If a bunch of people are in line, limit it to x number of books per person. I'd be fine with only signing for a couple of hours per day as well that way they could do commissions in between as that's where they make the real money. Or separate lines for sigs and for sketches that way they can knock out quick sigs and not have people wait in line for hours for sketches when they only have a 30 second sig they wanted to get. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by drchaos I guess I remember what cons used to be like before flippers used them to benefit their side income stream. At the height of the 1990's craze the lines at the Chaos Comics booth and the Image booth at Wonder Con (in San Fran) or at MegaCon were never like what you find now. The Chaos booth allowed people to purchase 2 comics and you walked down the booth and got to meet and have the creators of Lady Death sign you book while you chatted. Nobody dumped a short box on them to have signed. If they did they would have told the DB to move on. Now the flippers want their convention costs covered by riding the backs of the creators. Then they jump on social media to bad mouth the same creators is they happen to charge more than the flipper expected or can justify when he/she attempts to sell those books. I understand that the creators of yesterday use conventions as a revenue stream. However, if they are signing for free they need to limit the number of books they are willing to sign from 1 fan. That's good for the convention that brought them in and it is good for the fans that are waiting in lines. Children aren't going to wait 2 hours to meet them and they are the comic buyers of tomorrow. The industry doesn't exist without them. A bad experience leads to lost future sales. |
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| @Towmater I saw a lot of artists at Baltimore. Not too many children on the lines. The comic industry will look very different 20, 30, 40 years in the future. For now I am going to enjoy the present and worry about the future when it happens. |
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I had no way of knowing that 9.8 graded copies signed by Adam Hughes weren't what you were looking for.
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Quote:Originally Posted by Towmater No one has anything bad to say about the publishers, convention promoters, and comic stores "riding the backs of the creators". Somehow it is only bad when the little guy tries to make a couple bucks. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by drchaos The promoters aren't dumping short boxes on creator's tables for them to sign. They bring in the creators for the fans to meet, chat with, and get a signature. I think the "small guy" or flipper forgets the con isn't about them and the $$$$$'s they want to make on their side hustle. At the end of the day, the stars and the fans suffer because of the "small guys" you seek to defend. How anyone can think that a creator "owes" them an autograph is beyond me. They don't owe anyone anything. If they are willing to sign more than one I'd think a fan would be overjoyed. You got to meet, interact, and take something home from that experience. That's a memory. As someone that collects rock memorabilia and autographs I can share that access to people like Roger Waters is controlled and the amount of items he will sign from a fan is 1. If someone tries bringing more then the protection he has will move you along without you getting anything signed. Generally, he signs from a vehicle on his drive into a venue. Other stars won't sign at all. Paul McCarthy is a prime example of that. He hates seeing things he signed yesterday put up on eBay. So, it is a rarity when he does it now. Some have decided to go with personalization as it limits the value on their signature. I have been very fortunate meeting many of the people that make the music I enjoy listening to. I got to know a promoter pretty well when I was doing backstage security as an off-duty uniformed officer. I respect what he tells me they will sign and follow the rules that his access allows me to have. I would never seek to get more than 1 item signed. It is for my personal collection. Why would I need 7 albums signed? I wouldn't. I have no plans to sell my collection. I wouldn't lug a guitar around either. That's a very fast way to never get in the room. Yes, some of the people I've met haven't been nice. They stick out like a sore thumb. For the most part, I can relay that my interactions with different bands have been stellar. Most of them are burnt out from being on the road, and only want some peace and quiet. They usually are happy getting to ask a question or two about the town they are in without the "fanboy" experience being attached to the interaction. |
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| @Towmater Those flippers make the signed books available to people who could not attend the cons. Just as the promotors are doing something you enjoy for a profit the flippers are providing a service for others. There are many people making a living from comics and all of them are supporting the hobby we enjoy. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by drchaos That's like saying Wal-Mart is feeding people. Yes, you can shop there for food but they are driven by profit. Just like Joe Flipper guy. The difference is that all Wal-Marts have a business license, pay property tax, provide jobs to the community they are in, and return the sales tax they collect. Also, I've never been in a Wal-Mart that jacked the price of an item up continuously because it was the favor of the moment. |
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| @Towmater I have a strong feeling the flipper market will quickly diminish next year with the new tax rules. As of now it's fairly easy to let those profits be unseen by the IRS, next year...not so much, and it will eat into their profit margin hugely to the point where it probably won't be worthwhile. | ||
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I'm waiting.... (tapping fingers). Splotches is gettin old! |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Sebastsk8 This is an excellent point. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Towmater I think flippers provide an important liquidity service. Pretty much the same way that ticket scalpers do. They are a bridge between two parties that would not have found each other otherwise. The profit they make needs to justify the risk that they take. I'm sure I've sold to flippers, bought from flippers, even been a bit of a flipper at times. If they go away, there will be a loss of liquidity in the market. This will erode value. Liquidity is important to confidence. The less confident someone is about selling a book down the road, the less confident they will be about buying a book. Legitimate Collectors included. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Towmater Anything more than 2 books and the creator should sign with their off hand. Assuming the person is not paying for the signatures. Actually, one thing we haven't thought about is that the guy with the short box to be signed may not be just a random person. If the creator is signing for free then they have likely recieved a fee to be at the show. The guy with the big stack may be associated with the show or may have purchased some kind of VIP arrangement through the show that helped to subsidize the cost of the creator being there. |
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