Is it really Jim Lee signature?15476
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Quote:Originally Posted by persianninja Google search it - plenty of info out there. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Davethebrave Sorry, if referring to my posts. I'm new here and just thought about just having a conversation about this process as I been out of comics since I was a 90's kid  . |
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| With sigs you should carefully consider how easy it is to forge some of them. Part of that equation is how variable the persons signature. Jim Lee's fairly simple signature is HIGHLY variable. I got 5 things signed by him at a special Jim Lee signing event Megacon..2018? Every one is very, very different in terms of how pronounced the loops at the bottom, the separation between the humps, the trailing line (or lack there-of), etc... The fairly easy way to just make some loops and humps combined with the extremely high variability of sigs that are absolutely from that person will lead to these issues. Doesn't make it right or increase confidence in the product, but we have to understand what we're looking at. Also, this reddit poster has a youtube video where he shows the whole process. Faking the sig, sending it in and getting it back verified. |
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 It was a one trick pony show but always hilarious.
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Quote:Originally Posted by DrWatson @DrWatson Agreed 100%! And no offence to @persianninja but a random post from an unknown someone making a claim that is almost impossible to dispute and/or back up is meaningless. (I totally get that you're just wanting a convo on this which is totally cool and I'm in). Its like @Nuffsaid111's post about Odin and dinosaurs. I will put my money on CBCS/Beckett every single time when a claim like that Reddit post comes up. Its CBCS/Becketts job/duty to know (as much as they possibly can) if a signature is real or not and their reputation is on the line every time. I'm certain that is not taken lightly...random claims made by unknown sources behind keyboards are probably not as concerned about their reputations. |
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| Just to add, I saw that video as well and the reddit posting last week...but I will say a good portion of that reddit sub are collectors but are very anti-grading. Slab posts on there regularly get negative rep. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by persianninja I agree there is no way cgc witnessed everything its impossible and in the other hand there is no way also that beckett (cbcs) can confirm signatures 100% every time. I was just asking the community about my signed comic book. I will never know if it is really signed by Jim Lee anyway I love the cover and it is a great grade. For all of you if you aren't sure about the signature don't buy it unless it is a reasonable price. |
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Just to go back to your original question, it looks like his signature. I've had many books signed by him over the years, but, of course, at the same time, can I tell you that it's absolutely his signature? Of course not.    |
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Quote:Originally Posted by etapi65 oh I definitely believe that. I'm do website/software stuff and only type all day. I don't really write cursive or sign things anymore for the past 25 years and everyone of my sigs will look different. Not to get too political, but thats why I think Signature Verification is crazy to implement for voting if most people don't write cursive anymore as well. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by lawguy1977 Thank you but you see it's always 4 or 5 curves usually mine have 6 lol |
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| @manouro LOL, good point. That's why I'm not in signature verification. Simple fact remains -- you're taking a risk and putting your trust in someone else if you didn't witness the signature yourself. That being said, I trust the grading companies -- it's their job to witness or verify them. Is there fraud? Sure, just like with any business -- there's the potential for fraud. That's just the nature of the beast, unfortunately. Only way around that is if you witness the signatures yourself. Personally, I like CBCS's verification program -- primarily because I don't always want to feel forced to send in a bunch of signed books at the time they were signed. (Let's face it, slabbing books can get pretty pricey). Some folks don't trust it or like it, and there's nothing wrong with that. At the end of the day, you have to decide what your comfort level is with this process and decide whether it's worth buying a signed copy from someone else or waiting for that opportunity to get the creator to sign it personally in front of you. Only signed book I've ever bought was a book signed by Stan Lee because I missed out. Had it sent in and it came back verified. Otherwise, every signed book I own was signed by the creator and witnessed with my own two eyes. But once again, personally, if I was looking for the right book with a specific creator's signature and it was a verified slab by CBCS, I would have no concerns when buying it. Not sure if that helps or not, just my perspective on VSP. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by persianninja Beckett is the parent company and it's still a CBCS graded book. Saying Beckett is the one that messed up a CBCS graded book is like saying Blackstone is the one that messed up a CGC graded book. This f'up is on CBCS if it's legit. |
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 If I could, I would. I swear.
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Quote:Originally Posted by lawguy1977 Unless the creator is dead. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by lawguy1977 @DrWatson Exactly. |
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 I'm good with splotches.
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| If there is a Jim Lee forger out there trying to make money, I am sure he/she spent some time reviewing and practicing Jim Lee's signature. A whole lot more autograph reviewing than we have in this thread. So as to the question as to why there are 6 curves instead of 4 or 5, I don't think this is a detail a forger would miss. He/She would ensure 4 or 5 curves with each and every signature he forges to ensure consistency and to get that "yep that's Jim Lee for sure" feedback. So why on earth would a forger who is trying to make money purposely make 6 curves if the majority of Jim Lee signatures have 4 or 5? It makes no sense. |
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| @Nuffsaid111 @Davethebrave I bet Jim had an extra coffee that morning! | ||
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If I could, I would. I swear.
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| Or maybe he was tired of signing and got carried away. | ||
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manouro private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by Nuffsaid111 Yes probably  |
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| Anybody willing to try and forge a signature to see if it gets verified? Don’t answer on the thread of course | ||
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