New CBCS Label, part 2...1539
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Quote:Originally Posted by BStein Those two sentences are contradictory, even though you are using them to back each other up. A trimmed original/authentic item (comic or card) is not fake, it is altered, or restored, or whatever tag you choose to use to refer to it. But, "fake" is not accurate. By grading and labeling as trimmed, etc, there is no attempt to pass it off. It is on the label. I would prefer that the label of a trimmed, restored, or conserved book be somewhat different, but either way, it is noted in the label as so. I think your using of the word fake is just intentional hyperbole. |
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| @Spidey62 I don't think it's hyperbole, I think he truly believes what he's saying. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by The_Curmudgeon Lol. Why else would you be wanting a blue label other than to deceive people? Why are there only a couple hundred books that actually state 'restored' on eBay? Your definition list only proves the use of the word is relevant. There are multiple references in the definition to altering, doctoring, etc. I do think it is cute how the overwhelming minority complains about someone calling out their collection for what it is. Just accept the purple label and move on. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by BStein Wanting the same colour of label has nothing to do with deception. It says "restored" right on the label. I do not like different colour labels for signed books, either. I also do not like the 8 different labels CGC has (excluding the number of cringy gimmick Stan Lee et al labels). If you want purple, go for CGC. I am glad CBCS takes a different view. But anyway hurry up guys, my books have been on hold for three months now while I wait for you to fix this. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by BStein If I buy a used Harley Davidson motorcycle and cut the backbone and downtubes out and stretch the frame, change the shocks to drop it down a couple inches, bob the fenders, 6" over front forks, custom stretched tank to fit the frame, ETC,ETC, is it still a Harley Davidson motorcycle? |
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| @BStein Plain and simple, the "purple label of death" is so named not just because the book is restored; but because it is fkng PURPLE. It SCREAMS restored. Put two of the same valuable books side by side at an auction, both restored, same grade, one CBCS one CGC. I guarantee you the Purple one sells for less, even though everyone knows both are restored. Those of us against different labels arent trying to decieve anyone. Wether or not you are "against" restored books as "fake" or not, the MAJORITY of your peers disagree. There are so many books out there that are literally dying and like it or not, the only way to preserve these pieces of history is conservation/restoration. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by The_Curmudgeon Yes, yes it is.  |
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| THAT BIKE SHOULD BE PURPLE | ||
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| A restored book should be listed as such and should be less valuable than an unrestored book. Restored and conserved books sell for prices several grades lower than the restored grade, because they are not in as much demand as unrestored books. I have bid on restored copies of books, because they have a better appearance than lower graded unrestored copies in the same price range. The only time I get upset with them, is when I submit a raw book for grading that I bought from a dealer as original, and find out years latter that is has had color touch or something else done to it. Information that was not disclosed to me when I bought the book. Something else to think about. The Mona Lisa has been restored at least a few times do to vandalism and conserved several times. I never thought of it as a fake. Do you? |
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Quote:Originally Posted by esaravo The comic book hobby is one of the few hobbies where restoration is looked upon with such disdain. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by DrWatson Someone is sure to come by to say it is not a fair comparison, because artworks are one of a kind. A nonsense argument, but many make it. Some people do not like restored books, so demand is lower and the price. As long as I know it is there, I do not mind it. And professional paper restoration is a fine craft in itself. I have no problem with a nice heavy resto key. |
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| Especially if it's going to live out its life in a plastic holder. | ||
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| I'll take a resto Detective #27 or resto Action #1 any day!! Lol! | ||
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| Label update: Just got a quick stream back, graded and shipped last week. OLD LABEL | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by silverage_shane Ill add AF 15 to that list. |
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well in the name of the game, If anyone wants to get rid of their FAKE books, p.m. me and I will give you a dollar and pay for shipping. Offer stands forever.  |
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Quote:Originally Posted by BStein I'd have to agree with this, mostly. I mean, I wouldn't go so far as to say all resto is fake, but I take the point. And my feeling is, the purple label isn't a "stigma," in the same way a blue label (or any other color) isn't a stigma... it's what the purple label *represents* that is the stigma. The color purple simply imparts necessary information at a glance. If the marketplace decides resto is no longer a concern, then the PLOD stigma will go away. And maybe the resto in a particular case isn't very significant. If true, the text will indicate that. But it is very helpful to know a book is restored without having to read the fine print. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by shrewbeer Wait, what? You mean the original, beautiful CBCS label? Because that's the one I've wanted this whole time. That's the one I bought this summer with my first submission. And they just gave it to you?? Did they tell you in advance or something? They've been telling me there's no way, no how, they will ever use that label again. I'm still in a holding pattern over the new-new label, but I would totally take the old one right now. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Tedsaid Pretty sure he's referring to the old new label |
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| Ha ha yes sorry, "old "as in the current label | ||
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| Oh. Man, I was so excited for a minute there... | ||
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| Any updates on the new labels? @SteveRicketts | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by Johnjakewish I was told in an email exchange with CBCS that the new-new labels would be finished and in hand "before Christmas." I'm not sure if that still holds, but the email was Dec 7th. I hope it is correct ... six months is a long wait for my first submission. Not sure how much more time I want to give on this. |
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| There will be more info released in a few weeks. | ||
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| So, next year? | ||
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Could I ask you guys to have a look at the end of this pen? |
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I'd let the labels go 'Live' in the next few weeks, but .. what's the harm in unveiling them slightly earlier .. such as .. hmmmmmm .... December 25th?  |
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| I think ringing in the new year with a new label could work also. | ||
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