New CBCS Label, part 2...1539
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Quote:Originally Posted by The_Curmudgeon In my scenario, there are no alternate frame choices. I really don't know why CBCS couldn't offer a choice of labels. I would even pay an extra buck to be able to chose the old label versus the new, new new, or new new new label. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by DrWatson CBCS is not going to offer a choice of labels because they want a uniform look to their product line.Anything less would look distinctly unprofessional and would effect CBCS's standing in the marketplace. Let alone the potential issues that would cause a slow down in processing orders from customers wanting a custom made label or a label picked from a pre-set choice of a handful of designs....the other drawback would be that CBCS would have a similiar business model to Vans sneakers......I remember custom ordering multi-color Vans from a skateboard shop as a teenager. That is not the sort of product that a third party grading firm should emulate. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by CopperAgeKids I agree that they aren't going to do it. That it would look "unprofessional" just doesn't hold water in my opinion. It would be really cool, and could look great. Some people might not have a design that everyone likes, but they would have one that THEY like. And in regards to marketplace standing, are you saying that giving people more what they want would hurt them in the market? Again, that just doesn't make any sense at all. Have the standard label, charge extra for the custom and make the user upload an image or PDF at the specified dimensions. Quote: Originally Posted by CopperAgeKids Slow down processing? During the final grading stage, you look up the submitted graphic, and hit a print button - something they already have to do with all of the information from the book. Not difficult, just have some blank white labels around along with those with your design template. And again, if I were them I'd be charging extra for it any way. Most people would likely opt for the standard, some people who are visual designers would likely have really amazing labels, like that one that Thanos designed. Would be cool. And again, if you didn't like it, just don't pay for the service and get the standard one, adding choice doesn't hurt anyone, it's a pareto improvement. With regards to Vans and not wanting to emulate that one crazy company that offered customization, I would just respond by saying: The Moto X, every car maker, Oakley sunglasses, custom suits (really the most unprofessional of suits, right?), Google Live cases for Nexus and Pixel phones, Trek bikes, the list really goes on and on. And, in this industry, let me just point to artist commissions, those are a customization. You can hire some artists to basically create the cover of your dreams. And consumer surveys over the past few years have shown that there is, indeed, a large and growing market segment that is interested in customization. So I just can't get behind your arguments, other than that CBCS probably isn't likely to do it any time soon, but I don't agree that it's because they shouldn't. It would be pretty easy to implement, and could do well for their business. Though I wouldn't argue that they'd suddenly surpass CGC in market share, I certainly reject the notion that it would hurt their share in any way. |
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| Not sure how to respond to this.I appreciate your enthusiasm but I maintain that a uniform look is best suited for third party graded product. Exceptions could be made for specific artist signings/sketches on CBCS Authorized Witness gold labels; like the George Perez and Stan Lee labels that CGC has for their SS Perez and Lee books. But those are labels designed by Perez and Lee (respectively).... Adjustments to CBCS labels by collectors themselves could (and would) take away from the seamless flow of CBCS labels, in Heritage, Comic Link, Comic Connect and eBay auction listings.Having a 101 + variations of CBCS labels would look wonky, for lack of a better description.Hence, my usage of the word "professional"...which this sort of look would not exude. Market confidence in resale value surely would effect CBCS's market place standing, that is my point. Imagine Hello Kitty-esque images on CBCS labels...or whatever jpeg image someone wants on a CBCS label.Even if copyright laws were not an issue, what are you left with? Therein lies the slowdown in production time, but that is not really the main drawback, that I could see. Overall, this field is an entirely different area than customized I phones, suits, cars and so on. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by CopperAgeKids Agree that there is some uniqueness, but no more different than it is from shoes. The closest analog is probably credit cards, and they handle the copyright issues pretty easily, they just don't print copyrighted stuff. And regarding seeing all these weird labels on eBay, I doubt you would. Stores aren't going to pay extra for a label that cuts in to profit margins, have some simple rules (no store logos) and you can rest assured that the vast majority, if not all people, who would order would be individuals like me that display their books, not people selling them on eBay. It would very likely reduce resale value, and would increase cost. So someone trying to turn a profit isn't going to do it. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Kinzebac I'm sorry that you guys have restored books. If you like them, great, but the overwhelming majority of people don't. You call them restored, everyone else calls them fake. You should be happy that they grade them at all. Your book is NOT as legit as an unrestored book and therefore should not receive the badge of honor that is a blue label. Bring on the purple label! |
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Quote:Originally Posted by BStein LOL!  |
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| I love that you'll be able to spot a CBCS slab from across the con floor before you even walk up to a booth. | ||
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| My submission that was being held for the new label just went in to grading. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by reggieb  |
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| So these new labels in circulation now or is it a surprise? | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by reggieb Please, please, please be ready new label! |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Darkga Any news? |
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| The status of my order, which has been on hold since July, has not changed. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by Johnjakewish Hope mine wasn't an accident.... |
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Quote:Originally Posted by BStein Hmmmm. So if you were given a terrific deal to acquire, before they went to market, a GA key such as a Batman 1 or a Supes 1 or an All-Star 8 with minor resto (let's say color touch), you would pass up on such books because they are "fake" and "not as legit"? Please enlighten us with your wisdom. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by BStein Note to self: When Captain America #1 comes my way at a reasonable price, because it has slight colour-touch, remind myself to throw this fake book away. I'll be doing myself a huuuuuuuge favour #guffaw |
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Quote:Originally Posted by zosocane The same way a 52 Mantle that is trimmed is fake. If it's not original, it does NOT get the same respect as one that has been altered to 'appear' better than it is. It is a mirage. Like I said, if you like them, more power to you--but you wanting the same label color just in the hopes that appearance makes your book more appealing to the masses is just sad. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by BStein Restored /= Fake While I agree that a slightly restored comic is less desirable than an unrestored comic, it still is the real deal and has some value. A fake comic would be a photocopy or a counterfeit, and it would have no value. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Darkga Fake: one that is not what it purports to be By asking for a blue label, which should be reserved for unrestored books, the word 'fake' absolutely applies. You want a blue label because it makes your book appear to be something it is not. |
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| @BStein fake fāk/ noun noun: fake; plural noun: fakes 1. a thing that is not genuine; a forgery or sham. "the painting was a fake" synonyms: forgery, counterfeit, copy, pirate(d) copy, sham, fraud, hoax, imitation, mock-up, dummy, reproduction; More informalphony, rip-off, knockoff, dupe "the sculpture was a fake" a person who appears or claims to be something that they are not. synonyms: charlatan, fraud, fraudster, mountebank, sham, quack, humbug, impostor, hoaxer, cheat, trickster; More informalphony, con man, con artist, scam artist "that doctor is a fake" a pretense or trick. "his excuse for coming was a fake" adjective adjective: fake 1. not genuine; counterfeit. "fake designer clothing" synonyms: forgery, counterfeit, copy, pirate(d) copy, sham, fraud, hoax, imitation, mock-up, dummy, reproduction; More informalphony, rip-off, knockoff, dupe "the sculpture was a fake" counterfeit, forged, fraudulent, sham, imitation, pirate(d), false, bogus; invalid, inauthentic; informalphony, dud "fake $50 bills" imitation, artificial, synthetic, simulated, reproduction, replica, ersatz, faux, man-made, dummy, false, mock, bogus; informalpretend, phony, pseudo "fake diamonds" antonyms: genuine (of a person) claiming to be something that one is not. "a fake doctor" synonyms: charlatan, fraud, fraudster, mountebank, sham, quack, humbug, impostor, hoaxer, cheat, trickster; More informalphony, con man, con artist, scam artist "that doctor is a fake" verb verb: fake; 3rd person present: fakes; past tense: faked; past participle: faked; gerund or present participle: faking 1. forge or counterfeit (something). "the woman faked her spouse's signature" synonyms: forge, counterfeit, falsify, mock up, copy, pirate, reproduce, replicate; More doctor, alter, tamper with "the certificate was faked" pretend to feel or suffer from (an emotion or illness). "he had begun to fake a bad stomachache" synonyms: feigned, faked, put-on, assumed, invented, affected, pseudo; More unconvincing, artificial, mock, unnatural, contrived; informalphony "a fake accent" feign, pretend, simulate, put on, affect "she faked a yawn" antonyms: authentic make (an event) appear to happen. "he faked his own death" synonyms: feign, pretend, simulate, put on, affect "she faked a yawn" accomplish (a task) by improvising. "all the experts agree that you can't fake it" Music improvise. "he fakes the melody line of a standard tune" |
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Quote:Originally Posted by BStein Those two sentences are contradictory, even though you are using them to back each other up. A trimmed original/authentic item (comic or card) is not fake, it is altered, or restored, or whatever tag you choose to use to refer to it. But, "fake" is not accurate. By grading and labeling as trimmed, etc, there is no attempt to pass it off. It is on the label. I would prefer that the label of a trimmed, restored, or conserved book be somewhat different, but either way, it is noted in the label as so. I think your using of the word fake is just intentional hyperbole. |
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| @Spidey62 I don't think it's hyperbole, I think he truly believes what he's saying. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by The_Curmudgeon Lol. Why else would you be wanting a blue label other than to deceive people? Why are there only a couple hundred books that actually state 'restored' on eBay? Your definition list only proves the use of the word is relevant. There are multiple references in the definition to altering, doctoring, etc. I do think it is cute how the overwhelming minority complains about someone calling out their collection for what it is. Just accept the purple label and move on. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by BStein Wanting the same colour of label has nothing to do with deception. It says "restored" right on the label. I do not like different colour labels for signed books, either. I also do not like the 8 different labels CGC has (excluding the number of cringy gimmick Stan Lee et al labels). If you want purple, go for CGC. I am glad CBCS takes a different view. But anyway hurry up guys, my books have been on hold for three months now while I wait for you to fix this. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by BStein If I buy a used Harley Davidson motorcycle and cut the backbone and downtubes out and stretch the frame, change the shocks to drop it down a couple inches, bob the fenders, 6" over front forks, custom stretched tank to fit the frame, ETC,ETC, is it still a Harley Davidson motorcycle? |
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