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Collector 97	97 reggieb private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	How many people have orders on hold? I have one that would be entering grading soon, but I just contacted them last week to hold for the new label. I had always planned to, but was holding out hope that it would be ready to go before the entered grading. I wonder if there is going to be a delay from the sudden rush of orders in to grading that are currently held.
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	I have had one on hold for two months.
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Originally Posted by zosocane
Please keep labels with resto or conso the same color. We know how to read labels, and a different colored label on a resto or conso book will only bring stigma to that label, much the way PLOD has so badly hurt resto and conso books slabbed by the other company.

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On that basis, either there is a stigma with the plod, or people do not read labels when they flop good money on a book.

They probably only look at the number in the corner.

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I didn't say we couldn't read. Maybe a book deserves to have a stigma attached to it if someone took a razor blade or marker to it.

See above.

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It is to deceive people into seeing the book as a better grade. Putting these type of books in the same color of label that represents a all is good book just keeps adding to deception.

If deception were the goal, restoration check would not even be part of the grading process.

8 years ago

COLLECTOR 3.3K	3.3K JWKyle private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	Quote: Originally Posted by The_Curmudgeon Quote: Originally Posted by zosocane Please keep labels with resto or conso the same color. We know how to read labels, and a different colored label on a resto or conso book will only bring stigma to that label, much the way PLOD has so badly hurt resto and conso books slabbed by the other company. +1 Quote: Originally Posted by Mio On that basis, either there is a stigma with the plod, or people do not read labels when they flop good money on a book. They probably only look at the number in the corner. Quote: Originally Posted by JWKyle I didn't say we couldn't read. Maybe a book deserves to have a stigma attached to it if someone took a razor blade or marker to it. See above. Quote: Originally Posted by JWKyle It is to deceive people into seeing the book as a better grade. Putting these type of books in the same color of label that represents a all is good book just keeps adding to deception. If deception were the goal, restoration check would not even be part of the grading process. Ok for those of you that want the same color of label for a restored book and a normal book why?
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	Quote: Originally Posted by JWKyle for those of you that want the same color of label for a restored book and a normal book why? Aesthetics.
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COLLECTOR 3.3K	3.3K JWKyle private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 5
	Here is my agrument for having a restored label color. Cbcs has a: Yellow label for books that have a signature that was witnessed. Red label for books that have a verified signature. Blue label for books that are unrestored/restored/conserved. I collect un-restored books I don't collect signed books or restored or conserved books. With the argument of Aesthetics that means every book should just have a blue label and every label can be read to see what it is. With the color system if I see a yellow that means it's something I'm not interested in and I can move on. Same thing if it's a red , green or purple I don't have to take anymore time then to notice a color to see it's something I don't care to buy. With everything falling under blue that is not signed them I do have to go through each listing and read the label to make the decision whether it's something I do or don't want to purchase.
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	Quote: Originally Posted by The_Curmudgeon Quote: Originally Posted by JWKyle for those of you that want the same color of label for a restored book and a normal book why? Aesthetics. +1
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	Quote: Originally Posted by zosocane Quote: Originally Posted by JWKyle Makes it easier to differentiate from unrestored and restored books especially during the big online auctions when books are ending every 30 seconds or so. Please keep labels with resto or conso the same color. We know how to read labels, and a different colored label on a resto or conso book will only bring stigma to that label, much the way PLOD has so badly hurt resto and conso books slabbed by the other company. I couldn't agree more with this post.
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Originally Posted by JWKyle
With the argument of Aesthetics that means every book should just have a blue label and every label can be read to see what it is.

As it should be.

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With the color system if I see a yellow that means it's something I'm not interested in and I can move on. Same thing if it's a red , green or purple I don't have to take anymore time then to notice a color to see it's something I don't care to buy.

Thereby depriving yourself of the pure pleasure of assimilating the book for yourself.
Are you so pressed for time that the hunt for that perfect book has become a race?
Are you a FOMO victim? Afraid someone is going to get it and leave you wanting?

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With everything falling under blue that is not signed them I do have to go through each listing and read the label to make the decision whether it's something I do or don't want to purchase.

The resto notation is directly adjacent to the grade number, which I'm sure is the first thing you look at anyway.

Now don't think I'm not sympathetic to your view.
I understand the desire to have certain things easily spotted so as to quickly determine action A vs action B.
I do not ascribe that to comics however.
I love digging through endless boxes of comics looking for the one I can't go home without.

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COLLECTOR 3.3K	3.3K JWKyle private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 1
	Quote: Originally Posted by The_Curmudgeon The resto notation is directly adjacent to the grade number, which I'm sure is the first thing you look at anyway I love digging through endless boxes of comics looking for the one I can't go home without. . Your right it is one of the first things I look at-- assigned grade and page quality any extra notes for tape and writing. If all this information fits into my focus then I try to go over the book with the pictures available to see the wrap the centering, writing or anything else that would move it out of my collecting focus. I can understand if someone has restored books in their collection wanting them to be uniformed. I can understand dealers wanting the purple labels gone because of the stigma of the PLOD. I'm fine with that but if I had a choice restored books would have a different color of label. I love digging through long boxes of books also but this is not that this is internet buying. If I'm at a con and it's a choice between buying a raw book or a slabbed book I'm going to buy the raw book. I assume as your digging through the boxes there are things that keep you from buying a book. It's the same thing for me and restoration is one of them. I've bought one restored book knowingly it was a very pretty old big five war book that was harder to find. Not saying I don't have other restored books that have slipped by. Am I looking for Iron man 25 in 9.0-9.8 grade yes probably am I looking for that same book in the same range trimmed or color touched no. With thousands and thousands of graded books to sort though on the internet anything that saves time in my shopping I welcome it
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	Quote: Originally Posted by JWKyle Ok for those of you that want the same color of label for a restored book and a normal book why? Because I read labels. Because there is no need for a differently colored label (e.g., purple) that, at the end of the day, adds zero aesthetic or consumer protective upside but brings a ton of downside (i.e., stigma, ugliness) to the slab. This is why it was a stroke of genius for Steve and the rest of the leadership at CBCS -- when they first rolled out their labels -- to have the SAME COLORED LABEL for unrestored and restored books. I rarely sell books. I collect them, and I love to CBCS-slab many of them, including those that have resto (particularly my GA books), because they look good in their slabs and protect the books. Yet another reason CBCS has been, for me, superior to CGC is that I know if I submit a book with resto, it's not coming back in some ugly purple-labeled (or whatever color label) slab. That is valuable to me. There is nothing wrong with resto books, as long as they are disclosed as such with notations of the extent of resto. Adding a separate colored label for those too lazy to read the resto disclosure only detracts from the collectibility of restored slabs.
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Collector 541	541 Mio private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 2
	Quote: Originally Posted by The_Curmudgeon Quote: Originally Posted by JWKyle for those of you that want the same color of label for a restored book and a normal book why? Aesthetics. They also say "Restored" on them. That is enough for me. I do not need different colours for signed books either - but since I do not buy signed books, it is irrelevant to me. CGC uses one method, CBCS another, and I am ok with that.
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Collector 1.53K	1.53K mattness private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	Can someone please provide an image of the same colored label that says restored on it? I haven't been able to see one. Thank You!
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	Old label - Trimmed Old label - Conserved and Verified Signature
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Collector 97	97 reggieb private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 1
	Quote: Originally Posted by The_Curmudgeon Quote: Originally Posted by JWKyle With the argument of Aesthetics that means every book should just have a blue label and every label can be read to see what it is. As it should be. Definitely not, the blues aren't the best looking of the labels in my opinion. I prefer a SS partly because the labels look better (though I admit I prefer the more gold from CGC than the highlighter yellow from CBCS) and in the new label that red looks amazing. And I prefer CBCS blue labels to CGC, but still, a little bit of variety looks good on the shelf to me. Glad your opinion isn't held by all.
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Collector 4.79K	4.79K Darkga private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	Looking good! Do we have a rough estimate on when the new labels will be available? I may hold my current order until they come out.
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	@esaravo Thank You !!!
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I live in RI and Rhode Islanders eat chili with beans. 98.73K	98.73K esaravo private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 1
	@mattness - You are welcome. It was no problem (and unfortunately, not my comics, either).
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	Quote: Originally Posted by reggieb Quote: Originally Posted by The_Curmudgeon Quote: Originally Posted by JWKyle With the argument of Aesthetics that means every book should just have a blue label and every label can be read to see what it is. As it should be. Definitely not, the blues aren't the best looking of the labels in my opinion. I prefer a SS partly because the labels look better (though I admit I prefer the more gold from CGC than the highlighter yellow from CBCS) and in the new label that red looks amazing. And I prefer CBCS blue labels to CGC, but still, a little bit of variety looks good on the shelf to me. Glad your opinion isn't held by all. I like the idea of just a single label for everything, just notes for Resto, SS, VS, etc. From a hobby standpoint, it encourages the hobbyist to look at each book with equal comprehension. Our lives are already hectic enough, our recreation time need not be. From a business standpoint, it could cut costs.
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	Quote: Originally Posted by zosocane Quote: Originally Posted by JWKyle Ok for those of you that want the same color of label for a restored book and a normal book why? Because I read labels. Because there is no need for a differently colored label (e.g., purple) that, at the end of the day, adds zero aesthetic or consumer protective upside but brings a ton of downside (i.e., stigma, ugliness) to the slab. This is why it was a stroke of genius for Steve and the rest of the leadership at CBCS -- when they first rolled out their labels -- to have the SAME COLORED LABEL for unrestored and restored books. I rarely sell books. I collect them, and I love to CBCS-slab many of them, including those that have resto (particularly my GA books), because they look good in their slabs and protect the books. Yet another reason CBCS has been, for me, superior to CGC is that I know if I submit a book with resto, it's not coming back in some ugly purple-labeled (or whatever color label) slab. That is valuable to me. There is nothing wrong with resto books, as long as they are disclosed as such with notations of the extent of resto. Adding a separate colored label for those too lazy to read the resto disclosure only detracts from the collectibility of restored slabs. +1 on pretty much all of these comments.
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	Re: new label design - I am not feeling it. It isn't bad, but my first reaction was "meh". I guess if staying out of the way of the book was the objective...mission accomplished. The new logo is to low key also, IMHO.
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	Quote: Originally Posted by Spidey62 Re: new label design - I am not feeling it. It isn't bad, but my first reaction was "meh". I guess if staying out of the way of the book was the objective...mission accomplished. The new logo is to low key also, IMHO. Do you collect books, or labels?
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If I could, I would. I swear. 54.25K	54.25K DrWatson private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 5
	I collect books that I would like to put in holders with attractive labels. I have never heard someone say, "Honey, I love that picture, but the frame looks like shit. Oh, what the hell? Let's buy it any way. What are we buying, the picture or the frame?"
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	Quote: Originally Posted by The_Curmudgeon Quote: Originally Posted by Spidey62 Re: new label design - I am not feeling it. It isn't bad, but my first reaction was "meh". I guess if staying out of the way of the book was the objective...mission accomplished. The new logo is to low key also, IMHO. Do you collect books, or labels? Ha! I understand your thinking. The book is certainly more important than the label, but the label is still there staring you in the face. Dr Watson put it well.
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	Quote: Originally Posted by DrWatson I have never heard someone say, "Honey, I love that picture, but the frame looks like shit. Oh, what the hell? Let's buy it any way. What are we buying, the picture or the frame?" A piece of wall-art is easily switched from an undesirable frame to one that is aesthetically pleasing. I don't display my books, but others do. Several have expressed a desire to have something unobtrusive, as opposed to the gaudiness of the current label.
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If I could, I would. I swear. 54.25K	54.25K DrWatson private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 2
	Quote: Originally Posted by The_Curmudgeon Quote: Originally Posted by DrWatson I have never heard someone say, "Honey, I love that picture, but the frame looks like shit. Oh, what the hell? Let's buy it any way. What are we buying, the picture or the frame?" A piece of wall-art is easily switched from an undesirable frame to one that is aesthetically pleasing. I don't display my books, but others do. Several have expressed a desire to have something unobtrusive, as opposed to the gaudiness of the current label. In my scenario, there are no alternate frame choices. I really don't know why CBCS couldn't offer a choice of labels. I would even pay an extra buck to be able to chose the old label versus the new, new new, or new new new label.
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Collector 3.72K	3.72K CopperAgeKids private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	Quote: Originally Posted by DrWatson Quote: Originally Posted by The_Curmudgeon Quote: Originally Posted by DrWatson I have never heard someone say, "Honey, I love that picture, but the frame looks like shit. Oh, what the hell? Let's buy it any way. What are we buying, the picture or the frame?" A piece of wall-art is easily switched from an undesirable frame to one that is aesthetically pleasing. I don't display my books, but others do. Several have expressed a desire to have something unobtrusive, as opposed to the gaudiness of the current label. In my scenario, there are no alternate frame choices. I really don't know why CBCS couldn't offer a choice of labels. I would even pay an extra buck to be able to chose the old label versus the new, new new, or new new new label. CBCS is not going to offer a choice of labels because they want a uniform look to their product line.Anything less would look distinctly unprofessional and would effect CBCS's standing in the marketplace. Let alone the potential issues that would cause a slow down in processing orders from customers wanting a custom made label or a label picked from a pre-set choice of a handful of designs....the other drawback would be that CBCS would have a similiar business model to Vans sneakers......I remember custom ordering multi-color Vans from a skateboard shop as a teenager. That is not the sort of product that a third party grading firm should emulate.
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CBCS is not going to offer a choice of labels because they want a uniform look to their product line.Anything less would look distinctly unprofessional and would effect CBCS's standing in the marketplace.

I agree that they aren't going to do it. That it would look "unprofessional" just doesn't hold water in my opinion. It would be really cool, and could look great. Some people might not have a design that everyone likes, but they would have one that THEY like.

And in regards to marketplace standing, are you saying that giving people more what they want would hurt them in the market? Again, that just doesn't make any sense at all. Have the standard label, charge extra for the custom and make the user upload an image or PDF at the specified dimensions.

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Let alone the potential issues that would cause a slow down in processing orders from customers wanting a custom made label or a label picked from a pre-set choice of a handful of designs....the other drawback would be that CBCS would have a similiar business model to Vans sneakers......I remember custom ordering multi-color Vans from a skateboard shop as a teenager.

That is not the sort of product that a third party grading firm should emulate.

Slow down processing? During the final grading stage, you look up the submitted graphic, and hit a print button - something they already have to do with all of the information from the book. Not difficult, just have some blank white labels around along with those with your design template. And again, if I were them I'd be charging extra for it any way. Most people would likely opt for the standard, some people who are visual designers would likely have really amazing labels, like that one that Thanos designed. Would be cool. And again, if you didn't like it, just don't pay for the service and get the standard one, adding choice doesn't hurt anyone, it's a pareto improvement.

With regards to Vans and not wanting to emulate that one crazy company that offered customization, I would just respond by saying: The Moto X, every car maker, Oakley sunglasses, custom suits (really the most unprofessional of suits, right?), Google Live cases for Nexus and Pixel phones, Trek bikes, the list really goes on and on. And, in this industry, let me just point to artist commissions, those are a customization. You can hire some artists to basically create the cover of your dreams. And consumer surveys over the past few years have shown that there is, indeed, a large and growing market segment that is interested in customization.

So I just can't get behind your arguments, other than that CBCS probably isn't likely to do it any time soon, but I don't agree that it's because they shouldn't. It would be pretty easy to implement, and could do well for their business. Though I wouldn't argue that they'd suddenly surpass CGC in market share, I certainly reject the notion that it would hurt their share in any way.

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	Not sure how to respond to this.I appreciate your enthusiasm but I maintain that a uniform look is best suited for third party graded product. Exceptions could be made for specific artist signings/sketches on CBCS Authorized Witness gold labels; like the George Perez and Stan Lee labels that CGC has for their SS Perez and Lee books. But those are labels designed by Perez and Lee (respectively).... Adjustments to CBCS labels by collectors themselves could (and would) take away from the seamless flow of CBCS labels, in Heritage, Comic Link, Comic Connect and eBay auction listings.Having a 101 + variations of CBCS labels would look wonky, for lack of a better description.Hence, my usage of the word "professional"...which this sort of look would not exude. Market confidence in resale value surely would effect CBCS's market place standing, that is my point. Imagine Hello Kitty-esque images on CBCS labels...or whatever jpeg image someone wants on a CBCS label.Even if copyright laws were not an issue, what are you left with? Therein lies the slowdown in production time, but that is not really the main drawback, that I could see. Overall, this field is an entirely different area than customized I phones, suits, cars and so on.
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