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 I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this.
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| I think it serves more as a warning to participants that the topic of conversation is a slippery slope and could get locked if we're not careful. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by dfoster43 Dreck comic meets dreck comment.  |
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| In the name of diversity, I say why not? Saying it's in an alternate universe is a great way to explain it all away. All little kids want to be their heroes. That's why everyone in the media business is putting it all out there on TV, movies, and comic books. LGBTQ, black, white, Asian, Native American, and anyone else they can think of. Even Santa Clause. $$$! Don't forget, we're talking about fictional characters (except Santa). | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by OGJackster If we're talking about Clark Kent, then exploitation for representation would be my criticism. If we're talking about Val-Zod, or Calvin Ellis, or Steel then I would agree; Why not? |
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Quote:Originally Posted by GAC In that case, one “IBTL” would suffice. There’s more to it. |
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I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this.
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Quote:Originally Posted by CaptainCanuck If a moderator typed IBTL, then I'd agree that one would suffice....coming from the general masses, an IBTL is simply an opinion to be given the weight it deserves. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by GAC Every topic today is a slippery slope. The irony is the slippery slope against discussing much of anything has ironically blh blah blah blah blah blh. Sorry, I definitely over-quote Alex Lifeson. In the words (lyrics) of the late great Peart: “Life is like a box of chocolates…” |
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 Oooops mixed them up again. Oh and Loki! To all those saying “In Before the Loki”… you made it! |
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I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this.
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| @Davethebrave where's Alex? | ||
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| From what I understand, there's both a Calvin Ellis and a Val-Zod show being pushed. Val-Zod is the Michael B. Jordan one for HBO Max. Not sure about the Calvin Ellis stuff. And really, just, who cares? If he can fly, beat up bad guys, and get killed by a green rock, I like it as a Superman movie. I mean, as much as anyone can like a Superman movie after Superman 2. Quote: Originally Posted by theCapraAegagrus |
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Quote:Originally Posted by xvipah right!!!??? Should have stopped after 1980!! |
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| On reflection, I should have added that I’m for any Superman property that Synder isn’t a part of or has a hand in. More than likely it will be a huge improvement over the stinkers he made people sit through. | ||
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| New to this topic and realize it’s a minefield. I doubt that I’ll be able to diffuse any hair-triggers as a die-hard traditionalist who doesn’t believe in fiddling with legacy heroes. My POV is that re-envisioning traditional heroes as alternative universe characters is disingenuous and risks losing essential aspects of those characters which drew an audience in the first place. As a strong advocate of diversity in film and literature I believe the best approach is creating new heroes with their own unique and interesting storylines. By approaching the issue this way the original characters aren’t disrespected or written off and neither is their audience. Diversity should be about the bold and new, not trying to change the past. Heck, I still like the George Reeves version of Superman.  . |
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I’m calling for a White Panther and a White Man-Ape. Let’s someone pull that off.  |
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 I'll probably wake up constipated.
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Quote:Originally Posted by CatmanAmerica This! |
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 Keep your $6.87 bro... not even saving tax with that.
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Quote:Originally Posted by CatmanAmerica Six check marks if I could. |
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 Not trying to be an ass since February 12, 2020.
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Quote:Originally Posted by Haljordanfan Luca Cade: Gyro for hire See what I did there? |
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| Everyone gets their laundry shuffled at the idea of a black superman, but meantime we have female spiderpeople, female wolverines, harleys that look nothing like the original character, and even Batman who looks like a BDSM freak and is evil....the MCU gave us Samuel L as Nick Fury, a normally white character? In thee most current supergirl we have a Jimmy olsen that is black...and the series does alright for itself...but make an actual established hero another color and the train goes off the tracks...odd. I mean who cares....alternate earths, alternate dimensions, different stories (legends of tomorrow white canary anyone?) and different characters, its all cheese being served on the same buffet...just eat what you like and ignore the rest | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by xvipah By that metric, there's no need for criticism of any movie derived from a source material. Accuracy/faithfulness matters to most people. |
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| Exactly. You want to say a movie is bad - horrible acting, horrible script? All valid. You want to criticize cause you don't like a derivation from your beloved characters... move on, life's too short. Quote: Originally Posted by theCapraAegagrus |
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Quote:Originally Posted by xvipah Race-swapping a character is lazy and horrible writing. There are black Supermen to draw inspiration from. None of their names are Clark Kent. |
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| And none of the black superman projects being talked about are Clark Kent... Quote: Originally Posted by theCapraAegagrus |
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Quote:Originally Posted by xvipah You mean except for the J.J. Abrams movie...? |
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| Maybe. We'll see what happens I suppose. I guess I just don't understand why it matters. But, that's fine, I don't haveta understand everything |
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Quote:Originally Posted by xvipah Faithfulness and not exploiting people matters. I am as interested in a black Clark Kent as much as a white T'Challa. The mantles can change; Superman, Spider-Man, Black Panther, Wolverine, etc. Write a new character to fill that role and make them interesting. Don't rewrite history to exploit people for representation, though. I'm infinitely more interested in original characters like J'onn J'onzz, Victor Stone, and John Stewart. MBJ's Val-Zod deserves a fair shake, though. |
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| Not exploiting people I can buy, if the only reason to have a black Clark Kent is to get the black people to pay for your movie that's pretty low. But faithfulness I'm not buying. These are comic book characters. Aside from basically their race, EVERYTHING changes about them over the years. From powers, to attitudes, to partners, to names. To me the idea of being "faithful" to a comic book character is akin to the idea of being faithful to what color a chameleon is at any given point. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by xvipah Do you work for Warner Bros? LOL. |
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| I wish, I could use a little bit of that WB money. Quote: Originally Posted by theCapraAegagrus |
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 If the viagra is working you should be well over a 9.8.
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| I'm still waiting for actors who can be faithful to Sam Keith's artwork. I hope the next guy they hire to play Wolverine looks like a triangle. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by xkonk I'm still waiting for them to cast actors with little tiny pointed feet and 10,000 pouches on their costumes. What was the name of that shit artist from the 90's Marvel books, couldn't draw legs or feet to save his life, always made people look hairy and steroidal .. my GOD did he suck. I think he did Cable a lot ... X-Force maybe .. man he KILLED certain titles for me. I literally stopped buying anything with that talentless jack-wagon's touch to it. |
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