CGC vs CBCS grading14999
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Terry88 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I feel like overlooking an obvious book defect just because it might be systematic from printing (just as an example) completely goes against the point of grading/evaluating the condition of books when it's supposed to be an unsubjective service. Just my opinion. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by BrooksRobinson $$$,$$$,$$$ |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Pre_Coder Yup! the reality is, many people want the higher grade over the more accurate lower grade. |
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| I'm still hoping we will get to see the books and grader notes to form a "tighter" opinion on this issue. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by EbayMafia An incorrectly pressed book will pebble. That and canvassing are two of the hallmarks of a poor press job. |
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| Pebbling is not a manufacturing defect. Link | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by GAC Especially the flippers. |
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EbayMafia private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by DrWatson It's likely that @DrWatson, with the wisdom of Solomon, has hit on the real cause of the difference in grades. Although I personally believe that CGC grades tend looser, I now feel that nothing in this thread is useful as evidence of that, even anecdotal evidence. |
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| I'm working on a more complete comparison of recent moderns but it's going to be a while. I can say from looking at the data from the first 15ish moderns that came out the last 10 years that I've compared, cbcs is giving out less 9.8s per 100 submissions than the same comic at cgc. It's not a big enough data set to be valid yet, but the early results are very telling and not even really close. There's other factors to consider, such as the perception of cgc publicly being worth more so people are more likely to send higher grade copies to them. I am working towards comparing 100 comics, but it's still going to be some months before I have enough data to release. Hopefully around the first of the year. |
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EbayMafia private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by HotKeyComics @HotKeyComics actually I don't think this will be a factor for recent moderns. It's different customers for each company, not different choices based on grade. Someone submitting their higher grade to CGC would not then submit their lower grade to CBCS. I feel safe in assuming that the recent moderns being submitted to each company are very similar in grade. However I do think that once you get more than 7 years out that theory doesn't hold up as well. |
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theCapraAegagrus private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by deczola Haha, okay. Pressing story aside, most people can't tell a 0.2 difference in grade from either company, so my arms remain at side. |
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theCapraAegagrus private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by BrooksRobinson No. |
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DrWatson private msg quote post Address this user | |
An early morning example of waffling or canvassing. Imagine the grade your book would get with that on it.   |
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| @DrWatson lol in Australia, pancakes were not breakfast they were a dessert | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by theCapraAegagrusyes. he nailed it perfectly. |
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theCapraAegagrus private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by Darkseid_of_town Incorrect. |
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| Correct, so my arms will remain at my side | ||
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My vision of the 0.2 differential either within company and/or between companies: |
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EbayMafia private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I think the truth of the grading difference is that about 90% of the market doesn't care. They want the grade, and if they can get it from the more established grade provider, all the better. Lot's of people send in 9.6ish books hoping for a 9.8. Until CGC has a complete reputation meltdown event (PGX style), people will respect a CGC 9.6 or 9.8 at least as much as a CBCS. I think the irrational part is that the market, while not caring too much, prices the grade labels as if we care a lot. If you take a 9.6 and 9.8 out of the label, they are the same book to 99.999% of the worlds population. But our irrational market will often value one twice or 3 times as much as the other...without caring if the book actually qualifies for the grade. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by EbayMafia I completely agree. I recently began watching some PSA unboxings on YouTube, and holy cow do card collectors have it worse than we do. I am by no means an expert on card grading, but I can say that the difference between an 8 and a 10 is wayyyyy less apparent than the difference between an 8.0 and a 9.8 on a comic book. Gorgeous, pack-fresh, well-centered cards were receiving 7's. Yet the market gives so much power to those high grades, that it doesn't even matter. I am never going to chase those census-topping grades, but if I were, I'd be thankful that I was a comic book collector. (Apologies to any card collectors who read this as ignorant and uninformed) |
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theCapraAegagrus private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by EbayMafia Exactly. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by EbayMafia Quote: Originally Posted by EbayMafia I also agree 100% with these. Sorta like choosing a restaurant that has 4.8 stars over the one that has 4.7 stars just because the number is higher. A subjective 0.1 rating makes all the difference in the world even if it shouldn't. Definitely not logic based, and that's why I'm happy to sell them my 9.8s for the exponential prices. I'm certainly not going to convince them to be rational when my sale is involved. Lovin' the modern day pyramid scheme |
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| The biggest difference between a 9.8 and a 9.6 is Registry points. Anybody who has dealt with graded books has cracked out 9.Xs and gotten back 9.Ys and vice versa. | ||
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| What do the grader notes say for the books? | ||
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theCapraAegagrus private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by moodswing I'm guessing that this was the ole drive-by shouting, and that we'll never know. |
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| Wow... this guy had wrong labels before and now gets them back and there is census errors... 🤡 clickable text |
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HotKeyComics private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Here is a current comparison on current posted TAT's and costs on each website. CGC: You can get a modern fast pass right now for $37. That's a 79 business day TAT, or 110 actual days. They state their new TAT's start from the day received. CBCS: You can get a 2 day modern right now for $40 with a 7 day TAT. 7 day TAT, 103 days faster for $3 more. OR CBCS Regular modern: $18 with a 14 week TAT, so worst case 98 days. 12 days faster for less than half the cost. OR CBCS fast pass modern: $28 with a 7 week TAT, so worst case 49 days. 61 days faster for $9 less. Edit: Updated with new info provided |
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