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I will probably never understand why everyone thinks Kirby’s art is so good. Whatcha gonna do?

I like Kirby. It's Ditko I can't understand the appeal.


I'm not a fan of Kirby art (and even less a fan of his writing) but I would place Ditko well below Kirby. Ditko art looks like he had a bunch of action figures that he would pose and then draw that scene.

More like suppositories disguised as action figures...
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I will probably never understand why everyone thinks Kirby’s art is so good. Whatcha gonna do?

I like Kirby. It's Ditko I can't understand the appeal.


I'm not a fan of Kirby art (and even less a fan of his writing) but I would place Ditko well below Kirby. Ditko art looks like he had a bunch of action figures that he would pose and then draw that scene.

More like suppositories disguised as action figures...


I would call that a fairly accurate descriptions of Ditko art. Action figures built from suppositories.
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I prefer my books be original and free of any writing, date stamps etc…. There’s just to much fraud in autographs and I would certainly never give any premium for a signed book. Especially any modern crsp.


Jack Kirby is without question one of of the greatest artist of all time, bar none, IMO
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We should have the forum rate our packages. HeinzDad private msg quote post Address this user
HeinzDad disclaimer: I get all the contributions to the industry. I was just mentioning what I see and its flat pancake faces all with the same expression. Hands that all look like Ben Grimm, and not the human form......
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"Forum Overlord" bah ha ha ha... JustThatGuy private msg quote post Address this user
@Mmanick you just described Stan lee.
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We should have the forum rate our packages. HeinzDad private msg quote post Address this user
Fair enough if you missed the subtle nuance.....

My nuance is that I made a statement and never asked a question. With that being said let me thank you for mentioning "if you have to ask". I did learn more about this legend though and for that tip of the cap to you sir!
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If the artwork was the slowest part of comic book creation, that means it was the bottleneck. The bottleneck is what limits capacity. If Kirby, as stated, was working 2-3 times faster than other artists, then it's no wonder that his proliferation of work would tend towards making him the Gold Standard in the industry. When they told new artists to "draw like Kirby" they could have also meant to find a way to speed up their process so that more titles could be produced.
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I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this. GAC private msg quote post Address this user
Mozart, Beethoven, Davinci and Michelangelo also had detractors.
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Mozart, Beethoven, Davinci and Michelangelo also had detractors.
Oh no you ditt'nt!!!!! We will respectfully disagree on this one.
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Mozart, Beethoven, Davinci and Michelangelo also had detractors.
Oh no you ditt'nt!!!!! We will respectfully disagree on this one.


Damn @GAC went and threw down the ninja turtles card. Shit just got real.
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Mozart, Beethoven, Davinci and Michelangelo also had detractors.
Oh no you ditt'nt!!!!! We will respectfully disagree on this one.


Oh I did fella!!! lol!! cheers 🍻
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We should have the forum rate our packages. HeinzDad private msg quote post Address this user
Ok... Homer backing into a bush......
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I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this. GAC private msg quote post Address this user
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Mozart, Beethoven, Davinci and Michelangelo also had detractors.
Oh no you ditt'nt!!!!! We will respectfully disagree on this one.


Damn @GAC went and threw down the ninja turtles card. Shit just got real.


lol!!!! I'm a Kirby fan....a big Kirby fan! 🍻
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I will probably never understand why everyone thinks Kirby’s art is so good. Whatcha gonna do?

I like Kirby. It's Ditko I can't understand the appeal.


I'm not a fan of Kirby art (and even less a fan of his writing) but I would place Ditko well below Kirby. Ditko art looks like he had a bunch of action figures that he would pose and then draw that scene.
I assume then if you are not a fan of his writing that you would not care much for Thanos, a direct rip off of Darkseid...not star wars for which he created many of the elements, or for that matter the upcoming Eternals movie, which he both drew and wrote in the original comic series, nor Devil dinosaur, or Kamandi, nor sandman....nor.....(insert name)
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Fair enough if you missed the subtle nuance.....

My nuance is that I made a statement and never asked a question. With that being said let me thank you for mentioning "if you have to ask". I did learn more about this legend though and for that tip of the cap to you sir!
but you precisely did ask a question, if you refer to your original post....first you made a statement about Kirbys art, then asked a question. I responded....always glad to offer insight and information about Jacob Kurtzberg, the man we call the King.(edited, thanks GAC)
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Last name: Kurtzberg
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We should have the forum rate our packages. HeinzDad private msg quote post Address this user
Whatcha gonna do, means tell me about Kirby???
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What else would it mean then?
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I will probably never understand why everyone thinks Kirby’s art is so good. Whatcha gonna do?

I like Kirby. It's Ditko I can't understand the appeal.


Kirby was awesome at his peak (mid/late 60's), but his later work was just too blocky and stiff & an eyesoar! I liked Ditko's Spider-Man run, but Romita was a better artist. Ditko's later work was just horrendous!!! Check out FF Annual #16 if you want to see some really bad 1980's Ditko artwork!
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We should have the forum rate our packages. HeinzDad private msg quote post Address this user
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What else would it mean then?
It was more just a figure of speech. I knew I was going to piss everyone off with my opinion so I added that for everyone hoping they just say “look at this guy”. In all seriousness though I never was aware of the volume of his work.
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What else would it mean then?
It was more just a figure of speech. I knew I was going to piss everyone off with my opinion so I added that for everyone hoping they just say “look at this guy”. In all seriousness though I never was aware of the volume of his work.
its quite alright, and everyone is entitled to their own opinions....( well, except about Kirby though)
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OK then Kirby historians...what is the origin of the nickname "King"? I figure Stan Lee had to have something to do with it. Probably wanted to promote his most prolific artist?
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@Scifinator - That poor SS book..... 😂
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Here is an interesting book to consider....recently purchased through the MCS auction and it was a bidding fight to win.

Notice the three signatures...Giordano, Roy Thomas and Gene Colan.
Notation for the book was that it came with the Lone Star Comics certificate of authenticity.


I felt that it was worth the risk especially with the certificate....never seen anyone establish that their certificates are questionable...and with two of the three signers now deceased , sure why not.

When the book came I got a bit of a surprise, as the certificate is ONLY for the one living signer, Thomas.

I know somewhere in the basement archives I have some cards signed by Giordano from his visits to Planet comicon years ago but finding them will be a trick and I have nothing for Colan to compare on hand.

None of the three readily come to mind as signatures worth the time and hassle to fake, but with them all combined on one cover it does make you wonder.

For the haters that will complain about signed books, i bought this one as a duplicate, entirely for the signatures.With two of them deceased already and Thomas at least 80 nowdays, it seemed a decent book to grab

Thoughts anyone?
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For the haters that will complain about signed books, i bought this one as a duplicate, entirely for the signatures.With two of them deceased already and Thomas at least 80 nowdays, it seemed a decent book to grab


@Darkseid_of_town I have a small collection of raw signed books. I don't plan to have any of them verified, it's just for me and not for making money. I think this is a perfect fit for that kind of personal collection. I'm very wary of trying to verify 3 signatures at a time...one failure can ruin the grade, so I would not be sending a book like this off for verification. Also the cost would be about $80 all in. I have a Swamp Thing signed by both Wein and Wrightson that I've considered verifying over and over again, but each time I put it back and hold off for another day because of the cost and risk of verifying more than one signature per book.
PS: I do appreciate the tasteful placement choices of each of the three signees.
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Some solid observations and even more to think about....the expense is indeed worrisome with the possibility of three seperate failures as well. Many of the signatures I have are likely aunthentic for various reasons in context, but this book I dont have much of a feel for, beyond they are signatures most wouldnt waste their time faking from what I understand about signed items these days.
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beyond they are signatures most wouldnt waste their time faking from what I understand about signed items these days


I would give you a 99.9% guarantee that all of those 3 signatures are legit. There's very few signatures in our industry that I would be concerned were forgeries. The bigger worry is simply not passing verification.
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Some kind words, thanks Lebron. I have second guessed myself a little on this one..I admit the certificate only being for the sole living signer has thrown me off a bit on it.Never having met any of the three, or watching them sign something leaves me feeling a bit uneasy for once
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Some kind words, thanks Lebron. I have second guessed myself a little on this one..I admit the certificate only being for the sole living signer has thrown me off a bit on it.Never having met any of the three, or watching them sign something leaves me feeling a bit uneasy for once


Well consider that only a fool would add fake signatures to a real signature. Or add a real signature to a book that they knew had fake signatures on it.
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I considered that as well, the one possible issue there being perhaps it had existing signatures when a new owner acquired it and then had the opportunity to add perhaps Thomas to the two that were already present..I think that might be overthinking it, but its hard to say for certain the actual sequence of events there.
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