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Collector Darkseid_of_town private msg quote post Address this user
If people knowingly and willingly commit fraud, thats on them. I just refuse the items that do arrive with all that postage due, and let the shoe fall where it may.....

It is rather simple...its illegal. Period. The postal service has laws...they were made to help preserve the postal service as viable for all to use. If you choose to break the law, and violate the postal regulations to skim extra profit into your own pocket, thats all you. I just refuse to accept it when it comes to my front door , demanding the extra postage that should have been lawfully paid.

We each have to live with our own choices and I am good with that...but the point is, i refuse to live with letting your choices determine mine. Pretty simple concept.
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Collector Rafel private msg quote post Address this user
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So what I'm hearing is if the post office clerk says it's okay. Your okay with it regardless of what the written rules say?

If that's how you feel, that's fine. I just want to make sure I'm understanding your position.


And just what do the written rules say? Have you or anyone here googled the POSTAL POLICIES on sending packages? I think not. I don't work there but trust that the employee behind the counter with years of experience knows what he/she is doing.
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Masculinity takes a holiday. EbayMafia private msg quote post Address this user
Since we are debating minor infractions, I wonder if everyone who opposes the use of Media Mail on moral grounds can say that they've been completely honest in their declared values when submitting books to CGC/CBCS? Anyone bought a book here on the forum and not paid a required use tax in their state? Anyone bought a book at a convention and managed to avoid paying that states sales tax? Has everyone been completely honest in reporting their capital gains from selling comic books? Anyone ever downloaded someone else's Intellectual Property without paying the normal fee (Donny Cates would like to know)?
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Collector Rafel private msg quote post Address this user
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Since we are debating minor infractions, I wonder if everyone who opposes the use of Media Mail on moral grounds can say that they've been completely honest in their declared values when submitting books to CGC/CBCS? Anyone bought a book here on the forum and not paid a required use tax in their state? Anyone bought a book at a convention and managed to avoid paying that states sales tax? Has everyone been completely honest in reporting their capital gains from selling comic books? Anyone ever downloaded someone else's Intellectual Property without paying the normal fee (Donny Cates would like to know)?


Great questions.
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Collector chester15 private msg quote post Address this user
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Originally Posted by Bronte
@Rafel

So what I'm hearing is if the post office clerk says it's okay. Your okay with it regardless of what the written rules say?

If that's how you feel, that's fine. I just want to make sure I'm understanding your position.


And just what do the written rules say? Have you or anyone here googled the POSTAL POLICIES on sending packages? I think not. I don't work there but trust that the employee behind the counter with years of experience knows what he/she is doing.


And back to the beginning we go!

On the first page of this thread, ironically in the post just before yours, is a screenshot of the policy by @Studley_Dudley. Check the yellow highlighted text about comics not being eligible for Media Mail.
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Collector Murmonster private msg quote post Address this user
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@chester15 I agree, and to your point, I remember when Media Mail was called "Library Rate". That name changed as the forms of media evolved. I imagine the rate was inspired by the fact that printed material had a rather low size-to-weight ratio. But even in it's original form I would argue that it was not right to use public funds to subsidize "For Profit" companies, regardless of what they were shipping. There are plenty of other worthy items that did not receive the subsidy such as auto parts.

@EbayMafia Library Mail still exists it’s a few cents cheaper per pound than Media Mail.
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Collector Bronte private msg quote post Address this user
@Rafel

Please see above post by @chester15
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Collector Bronte private msg quote post Address this user
@EbayMafia

I'm no Saint. Although I try and follow the rules in life, I fail everyday. For example I speed. Victimless crime, maybe... however, I do it and I don't think I can ever truly stop.

Like I said before, as long as a person can live with the consequences who cares what others think.

My questions are more to see into what makes a person tick than to judge right or wrong.

I have no dog in this fight. I could care less how they do business. If they sold something I wanted on ebay, I would prolly still buy from them knowing they are technically breaking the law.
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Collector BrashSmurf private msg quote post Address this user
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Since we are debating minor infractions, I wonder if everyone who opposes the use of Media Mail on moral grounds can say that they've been completely honest in their declared values when submitting books to CGC/CBCS? Anyone bought a book here on the forum and not paid a required use tax in their state? Anyone bought a book at a convention and managed to avoid paying that states sales tax? Has everyone been completely honest in reporting their capital gains from selling comic books? Anyone ever downloaded someone else's Intellectual Property without paying the normal fee (Donny Cates would like to know)?


i have always declared the complete value of my books to cbcs/cgc
never bought a book of the forums but i would have no problems paying my states sales tax
never avoid paying sales taxes on convention books
i report my gains from selling comics
the only digital property i have ever downloaded i messaged the artist and they were cool with me using their work for anything i created and wanted pictures of the finished product

So not sure what yu are trying to get at with these questions. some people are just honest
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I speed. Victimless crime, maybe... however, I do it and I don't think I can ever truly stop.


I'm pretty over this thread, but this turn of phrase almost made it worthwhile.
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@Rafel

Please see above post by @chester15


Thank you I will.

And like you, I too am over this thread.
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Collector Darkseid_of_town private msg quote post Address this user
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Since we are debating minor infractions, I wonder if everyone who opposes the use of Media Mail on moral grounds can say that they've been completely honest in their declared values when submitting books to CGC/CBCS? Anyone bought a book here on the forum and not paid a required use tax in their state? Anyone bought a book at a convention and managed to avoid paying that states sales tax? Has everyone been completely honest in reporting their capital gains from selling comic books? Anyone ever downloaded someone else's Intellectual Property without paying the normal fee (Donny Cates would like to know)?
You dont really seem to be getting that when people use media mail it OFTEN gets inspected, opened, damaged, and then delivered with POSTAGE DUE..yes, the new owner of that item cannot take posession until THEY pay the price for the seller being a deadbeat and cheating. My postal delivery man wakes me up when this happens, then demands cash payment for the difference and oh by the way guess what? Postal carriers do not carry change, so you best have the correct amount or be willing to overpay as well. At that point your merchandise, which you already in good faith paid shipping for, finally becomes yours. Even worse, many sellers do charge priority or first class shipping, then utilize media mail to send things. And the crowning fun to this is when a seller then throws an attitude, refuses to refund your additional cost, and to avoid that incoming feedback, they BLOCK you so that you are left with no means to communicate, no method to recoup, nor to respond.

I could care less if you justify committing fraud when you send things..that is all about how you choose to do business, but No, I am not here to underwrite the check to help resolve your moral bankrupty, when the difference becomes due and I get stuck paying it.
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Collector MutantMania private msg quote post Address this user
@Darkseid_of_town Maybe your postal delivery man used to be a newspaper delivery boy



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Masculinity takes a holiday. EbayMafia private msg quote post Address this user
I wonder if these two things could get consensus from both sides:

1) Anyone ships anything by Media Mail should clearly disclose that in their offering since it is not the typical way of shipping.

2) Anyone who buys something that is clearly listed as Media Mail should expect it to be shipped that way. If you are opposed to shipping by Media Mail, then do not purchase unless you've made previous arrangements with the seller.
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I wonder if these two things could get consensus from both sides:

1) Anyone ships anything by Media Mail should clearly disclose that in their offering since it is not the typical way of shipping.

2) Anyone who buys something that is clearly listed as Media Mail should expect it to be shipped that way. If you are opposed to shipping by Media Mail, then do not purchase unless you've made previous arrangements with the seller.


Now you're being realistic, rational and logical. Stop it! LOL j/k
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Collector chester15 private msg quote post Address this user
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Originally Posted by EbayMafia
I wonder if these two things could get consensus from both sides:

1) Anyone ships anything by Media Mail should clearly disclose that in their offering since it is not the typical way of shipping.

2) Anyone who buys something that is clearly listed as Media Mail should expect it to be shipped that way. If you are opposed to shipping by Media Mail, then do not purchase unless you've made previous arrangements with the seller.


For the first part, in practicality, this would be true-ish. People are going to ship comics by Media because their competition is doing that. In order to compete on low value comics, or comic lots, the higher priced mailing requirements would eliminate the possibility of making a sale. People are "asking" for an assist from the USPS by hoping they don't get caught. Like cutting through someone's yard as a shortcut until they build a fence to stop you. It's not right, it's not legal, but "everyone's doing it". And most buyers are their accomplices, if they were happy that Media was offered.

Media can present problems for the recipient, but the seller either washes his hands of it, or tries to appease those affected as a cost of doing business. They are rolling the dice and usually successfully, as far as they are concerned. As long as the general savings covers the money spent on the disasters, the seller will stick with the process. It's saving him money, or helping him sell stuff. That is why it would be good if it was gone completely, no temptation, no avenue for subversion.

And at the bottom of the barrel are the sellers who advertise Expedited and send as Media to skim a few bucks. No use at all for those people.

It is also fair to mention that usually Media Mail just trundles along fine, as far as shipping and handling are concerned. If you package it correctly, there should be no increased instances of damage as compared to any other service. It does move a bit slower, the last ones on the truck, if there is room.

There are 3 downsides to Media:
It can be inspected (possibly damaged or poorly re-packed)
It can be abused by the shipper, sending non-eligible products
It takes longer to get there

HAZARD ZONE - Enter at your own risk.
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Beaten by boat oars Studley_Dudley private msg quote post Address this user
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2) Anyone who buys something that is clearly listed as Media Mail should expect it to be shipped that way. If you are opposed to shipping by Media Mail, then do not purchase unless you've made previous arrangements with the seller.


I've come to accept that it is a part of doing business with strangers. Depending on what it is determines if I make arrangements for a more reliable method. Even then there is no guarantee that someone follows through with shipping it any way than shit, er media rate.
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