Is the market over-valuing the future of X-men and Wolverine?14861
 I'm waiting.... (tapping fingers).Splotches is gettin old! |
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| I flip back and forth on this topic, weekly. There are days I think X-Men/Wolverine books have been undervalued; and they're just getting to where they should be after years of not much significant growth. (I'm leaving 181 out of this, as it's a unique book) Then there are days that I just can't believe this growth on X-Men/Wolverine blue chips can continue. It's insanity and it doesn't seem right. I just hope the hobby/industry (speaking generally now) continues to grow; not exponentially as it's been. That worries me. I'd rather see continuous incremental growth. |
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| The big clue most people just aren't getting here is obvious but most are missing it. When Disney bought Marvel they got rights to only certain characters and titles...so the began their efforts with the various Avengers....Cap, Iron Man, Ant Man, Widow, Thor etc. All of those books and related went up just like the x titles and wolverine are now.....but it happened over several years....as each new character or villain or title got its movie and exposure. Then one day, Disney ponys up the coin and buys in so they own the rights to the x men, fantastic four, and Wolverine. The minute those rights were secured, everything related to these characters went poof....and will continue doing so. It took them what...15 years to work through the entire Thanos storyline? So if they do create a storyline that is overarching for the x men and spend the next 15 years painting that tapestry, those books arent dropping....they are going to climb even more. Todays prices will seem morbidly cheap and those selling at current price levels are in for a surprise as the books continue climbing and prices reach much higher levels. |
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| Is the price increases due to collectors buying up comics for their collections or is it the result of speculators who plan to hold the comics for a period of time and then flip for a profit? Are the comics assets or debt? | ||
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| Both...if you go into facebook and look on the collectors groups you see people scrambling to put together trade plus cash deals or selling multiple keys to finance that grail book before it gets out of reach rather than just difficult. Alot of people are making that last run to get a copy before its too late and becomes unworkable. Then you mix that with the speculators who are nailing down a copy or two cause they too think the book will keep moving......with that much draw, even the lower grades are getting impossible to obtain. Even a spark of another rumor from disney will really set this thing off |
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Quote:Originally Posted by cesidio Definitely a higher level of inflation in society. It depends if wages start to match it, probably not. As for the 90’s “crash” that was primarily stores that depended on new comic sales, old classics never really went down. Hard to tell what will happen this time, if you stick to well established vintage books with a low number of existing copies you probably have nothing to worry about. |
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| ComicLink is selling what I guess is the #2 CGC registry Uncanny collection in this month's auction. I got sweaty looking at it. | ||
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| Definitely not overvalued. The X-Men were absolutely huge in the late 80 and 90s. I would say probably only second to Spider-man. The cartoon was very popular and so were the comics. You now have adults my age that have been waiting for the xmen to be done correctly. The previous fox movies were a poor representation of most of the xmen and really didn't resemble the comics they were supposedly based on. The newer xmen movies were not really good either. Mystique running the xmen? come on! You also have to remember, Marvel tried to bury the Xmen since they didn't have film rights to them. This was quite obvious with the push of the Inhumans. I fully expect Disney to go full on Xmen. They have already relaunched what seems like 100 xmen titles. Expect a lot of Disney+ shows centered on different xmen. Lastly, the Xmen have some of the most popular characters in all of Marvel and I would say some of the the most popular woman characters. They will surely be heavily pushed. Wait to we first get confirmation of a Hulk vs Wolverine movie. Sky is the limit. | ||
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| Which means invest in AF 15 When X-Men 1 reaches same price, peeps will shake the heads and think AF 15 is way undervalued and that book will rise again. Early 60s marvels are rarer then the 63s  |
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| You are actually onto something golden with that one , and it is what many are doing. Seen quite a bit of sentiment towards that concept that says...well the silver marvels have gotten obscene with price but those DC books are bargain priced....as they are and they begin driving the showcase and Brave and Bold and early flash, and green lantern books | ||
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| Maybe no one saw this so I'll ask it again BTW, was the X-Men 12 cgc 4.0 that sold in the Comic Link auction, that ended on 5-13-21, for $988.00 well bought or has the market for that book started to cool off? I ask as GoCollect shows the price at $1450.00 in that grade. Also, in the same auction the 7.0 copy of that book went for $2329.99. GoCollect shows it at $3000.00. Again, is it cooling off or just well bought? I went looking on eBay for recent sales. June 2nd cgc 5.0 1399.00 Go Collect (1600.00) May 31 cgc 2.5 730.97 Go Collect (800.00) May 28 cgc 7.0 2356.00 Go Collect (3000.00) May 23 cgc 2.5 798.00 Go Collect (800.00) May 21 cgc 7.5 2686.00 Go Collect (3800.00) May 2 cgc 5.5 1527.00 Go Collect (1600.00) May 2 cgc 6.5 2150.00 Go Collect (2700.00) May 1 cgc 5.0 1425.00 Go Collect (1600.00) May 1 cgc 4.5 1399.99 Go Collect (1600.00) April 30 cgc 3.5 1000.00 Go Collect (1250.00) I didn't put restored or Buy It Now sales in the above for obvious reasons. Mixed bag but it looks like it is cooling off to me. |
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Factual documented x men 12 sales in 4.0 for the current year.  I didnt put other grades in the comparison because they just are not necessary |
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Factual screen shot of the comic link sales of a key X-Men book ending on May 31 |
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| A non verifiable sale for a 4.0 and a 7.0 sale of the same book would demonstrate something I am guessing? | ||
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| The eBay sales aren't unverifiable either. A search of their system shows the sales. Maybe you don't like the idea that a key X-Men book isn't traveling on the upward never ending spiral of gain after gain in sales? Maybe its something else? |
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Quote:Originally Posted by TowmaterA search of ebay systems shows you if an item sold...but not to whom, if it was shill bid or perhaps ended in the buyer actually also being the original seller. It further does not demonstrate if the item was truly paid for had to be relisted for instance...while the data can be suggestive, it cannot be considered definitive nor final. As for your attempt at a taunt, you are inferring both in your method of gathering selective data and then inferring a status for my thoughts. You fail in both regards. As you can clearly see from the data posted, both in 4.0 and in 7.0 your book of choice has continued its " upward never ending spiral of gain after gain. I dont own a copy of issue 12...so I have no dogs in the race. I was simply illustrating that using bad data incurrs bad results. Thanks and have a great day |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Darkseid_of_town That isn't selective data. It is data on the last months sales of the book shown by eBay and Comic Link. To label under performing sales data on both eBay and Comic Link as "shill bids" is interesting. Logically the sales on both Comic Link and eBay had actual bids that were even worse than the ending price of the under performing final price. Thus, it was a HUGE failed attempt to prop up the prices. |
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| Even though in both cases the sales you yourself demonstrated CLEARLY show an increase over the documented sales to date by GPA across 24 seperate venues and verified seperately? umm well okay then.....I guess I sort of prefer obvious visible facts over whatever that was.Flip side.... I am rather proud you feel that I could somehow in any way possible "prop up prices"....let me get on the phone with Overstreet, Dunn and Bradley, and GPA now ! | ||
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| Hmmm, and my post was CLEARLY using publicly shared Go Collect data Quote: Originally Posted by Towmater  As to your get on the phone comment...Keep deflecting |
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| but I was actually "reflecting" due to your comment, not deflecting.... | ||
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| @Towmater I believe gocollects fmv is basically a guess based on sales of other grades. Logically, it doesn't make sense. They list the fmv at 1450 for a 4.0 but if you look at the sales they have recorded, there isn't one close to that amount. In terms of whether the book is increasing or not, almost every sale recorded on gocollect has increased from the previous sale. Gpa looks to be right around 800. Your screen shot of the comiclink sales shows a sale higher than the highest recorded gocollect price. Comiclink seems to be getting some high prices on books. Due to that, I have stopped buying from them. Side not, there has been a recent sale of a 2.5 on ebay for 730. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by moodswingAt least some can see it. Thanks Moodswing. For me its also appalling how Gocollect is clearly inferring a price based on no factual data to support that price...yikes |
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| @Darkseid_of_town I have had issues with them for a while. They can't record "best offer" prices on ebay anymore either. Ebay changed some settings and now they can't get the actual best offer price. I think I will send them another complaint. How can you have an fmv for a book that is not based on actual sales. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by moodswing I am glad people are starting to question some of their...."tactics" For me its somewhat astounding people are taking their data as anything solid given the numerous issues. There are also as much as two week delays in reporting sales as they are logged.....taking gocollect, at their best and then cherrypicking that result has to be the worst possible method to determine a market trend there can be...aside from casting chicken bones in a pile and translating that into something ps: be careful though, next you will get accused of "propping up prices" for calling out simple facts |
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| @Darkseid_of_town I just sent them a ticket. I have bitched about the site for a while. They actually refunded me 2 months worth of my subscription. Unfortunately, it looks like the site is still screwed up. You can't go by what they have for fmv. I am going to see if I can get to the bottom of this. I remember several books looking at the fmv and going "there is no way it is that price" based on recorded sales. You can't have an fmv of 1450 when the highest recorded sale they have is less than 1k. Anyone try covrprice? I might jump to that one. I am locked into $6/month with gocollect as they raised their prices recently so if I cancel, I won't be coming back. |
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| I generally use GPA, coupled with closely watching the auctions at MCS and random searches on ebay, as well as watching what people are selling books for on facebook, and Instagram. For me a litmus test is to pull a book up on mcs and see people are trying to get for a book because you then know the price most likely lies a step below that in any given instance. do agree with your comment....about FMV... Overstreet seemed to use a similar type engine in their results for years, but as they were far less agressive and the data was often behind the market so much the end result was not as extreme in misinformation as gocollect does. Never knew about covrprice, I might give that a look at least. |
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| I would use gpa but I think it is a litte more expensive and they don't have cbcs books. | ||
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