A Promise Kept14829
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Quote:Originally Posted by GAC One of the founders and owners of Heritage is also a part owner of CGC. |
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| Sounds like a marketing campaign from Zales or Kay Jewelers | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by GAC @GAC It's the collectibles industry. You're giving the players way too much respect. They're more like gold miners. It's got about as much decorum as the old west. The veterans in the industry are mostly just guys who've spent their lives looking for a big score. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by DrWatson 100% The Church Collection was found in 1977. So these books are 44 years older at the time of discovery and are in equal or better condition? There's more to this story. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by MatterEaterLad Yeah, I never bought into this whole “Edgar Church” story. Sounds like a made-up name. I bet such a person never even really existed. Just a fabrication of Chuck Rozanski collaborating with the lame-stream comic meadia. |
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| Bruce willis and the "Expendables"...Mr. "Church" | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by MatterEaterLad I don't like to think of myself as gullible, but after reading the initial post here, I fell hook line and sinker. I told my wife about the poor dead soldier and his brother's "promise" and said how special it would be to own a book from this collection. Great marketing. But you all are right, it is marketing. The author of the above article is the flack for Heritage Auctions. He was formerly a columnist for the Dallas Morning News, but now pimps for that company. IF this is an actual pedigree, and not just a collection that has been intentionally mislabeled as such, give us the full names of the brothers. It would certainly be easy to research the war records and tragic death of someone "known as" Junie and his brother "known as Robert". It is hard to think of a reason why, if someone is profiting off such a tragic story, they would not be willing to back it up and be proud of their family history and the dedication of one brother to another . . . unless. |
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| @Triplecdad If Heritage wanted to maintain the anonymity of the seller but clear up a lot of doubt they could bring in an independent entity to verify the provenance. The same way Price Waterhouse is hired to verify the votes of award shows, etc. I don't think the story we're being told is an absolute lie, but it's likely to be a half-truth. I worked in advertising and PR for years. I can smell these things a mile away. Plus, $10 million would motivate a lot of people to dress up the truth. |
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| @esaravo Great point. I was duped by the story. | ||
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| I noticed the multiple codes on the covers and suspected that the collection was "pieced together" rather than genuine "O-O" newstand purchased. This prompted me to go through the effort to validate the story put forth by Heritage. Several weeks ago, I ascertained the identities of the brothers in about two hours without too much trouble. I respect the wishes of the family as to disclosure. I recognized the coding on the front covers immediately, similar to those seen on several GA books obtained from a dealer who found around 150 books in a storage unit. The storage unit is located approximately 30 miles from the address of the recently passed brother! |
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@rcsage Nice work! |
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 Not trying to be an ass since February 12, 2020.
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Quote:Originally Posted by rcsageany more details? |
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 Pictures? We don't need no stinking pictures.
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| A quote I found... Avoid storing comics where they could be exposed to temperature extremes or dampness. This means keeping them out of the attic or garage. And always store them at room temperature. Books baking in the attic become brittle and may turn yellow. |
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| @brysb Same with books in storage units (which don't usually have heat or AC). | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by rcsage @rcsage What conclusion did you draw from your efforts? I've always had a problem with the 5,000 number and 150 sounds more realistic. I figure this is a much larger high grade collection that absorbed a smaller collection and adopted the emotional backstory of that smaller collection. |
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| The storage unit collection was found in the early 90s and is dispersed throughout fandom without pedigree. The seller who brought them out to market passed a few years ago. My interest in the Promise collection is that they exhibit similar distributor codes. Specifically, interested in knowing the "missing holes" in the Promise Collection in order to determine if the copies found in the storage unit are from the same source. If so, there may have been a "D Collection-like" outflow many years ago. Heritage states that they have a listing of the books, which has yet to be released publicly. The page quality of the storage unit books is OW-W. |
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| The cover markings sure are interesting. For instance the Startling Comics #49 has a 'c' over a '16/4' which is similar to the Ohio books. It appears the bulk listed on Heritage have 'k' over a fraction. San Francisco books have a 'g' over a fraction. Story buffoonery aside these books are in insane shape for how old they are and I would love to own one so I could inspect it first hand. This collection coupled with the Chinatown pedigree really has me wondering what else is hiding out there..... |
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| I believe the collection back story to be true. The dust shadows and overall ageing of the books are consistent with stacked attic storage; provided that proper climate control was maintained. These books were expected to be reunited with the O-O, and were treated accordingly. | ||
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| At what point does it become impossible to determine a collection is "PEDIGREE"? | ||
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| Pedigree is just a cool way to preserve provenance...for people that care about that stuff. Otherwise it can be written off as a marketing gimmick. Some really deserve it though... Church - ~15,000 comics Crippen - ~13,000 (15,000 with stolen books) Denver/Kansas City/Chicago/Windy City - nothing but ultra high grade GA keys/#1's Savannah - 40,000 books !!! Lost Valley - TEC #1-27 complete run and bunch of 30's books Gaines File copies - nuff said |
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| Well as collectors we don't have to worry about that. Since we don't have to accept books as being special and deserves a pedigree in the open market like in the past. Third party grading companies tell us what is or isn't a pedigree so we don't have to think about it anymore. |
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| Well the 2nd batch of Promise books are showing at Heritage. 7.0 - 5.5 - 5.5 (qualified) 6.0 -7.5. Was that first batch the meat of the collection? Edit: phone browsing got me. It looks like the August auction has more high 9's. Incredible how these survived. |
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