Did Marvel redraw/retouch KIRBY covers?14766
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| Everyone knows that when Jack Kirby left Marvel for DC in 1970/71 some of his art was redrawn/retouched, particularly Superman's face & Jimmy Olsen's. I read something recently where Marvel retouched some of Kirby's covers when he returned in the late 70's, is this true? FF #171 cover posted on kirbymuseum.org site has the caption under the cover that says this..."Joe Sinnott inks, with some modifications by John Romita", then someone posted this comment..."Romita appears to have redrawn most of the Mr. Fantastic figure".  I could see maybe his inker taking some liberties but why would Marvel need another artist to tamper with a Jack Kirby cover? I am wondering what other Marvel covers are not 100% Kirby. |
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| I think was fairly common for another artist to redraw or touch up other artist's work for various reasons. I think Captain America 110 was redrawn. | ||
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| That’s a shame if true - just ink Kirby, but what’s done is done. Be interested hearing more regardless. | ||
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It was fairly common. Here's Steranko's King Size Hulk 1 face re-drawn. |
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| Is that ever different. | ||
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| Just saw a YouTube short about a well known inker some were really hating on - was interesting but I’ll have to watch it again - if I recall the guy took too many liberties for the sake of speed. And erased shit so as not to ink it | ||
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| I think Marie Severin has redrawn a portion of a fair amount of covers. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by robo Vince Colletta...not my favourite inker for sure but in his defence he was fast and met deadlines from what I've read. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by robo lol, that's awesome. The book gets printed and the artists is like "hey, people are missing!" I have a 14 year old boy who I'm guessing has done something similar to that with his school work. |
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brysb private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I think Vince Colletta mainly left things out and didn't ink them as stated above. I am more interested in what happened after Kirby returned from DC & why his covers were redrawn/retouched by other artists. Was this common at that time? Was it a matter of not being able to ink over Kirby's pencils because they were not detailed enough to make out? | ||
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| To give you an understanding of what the inkers were dealing with, here are some copies of Gil Kane's pencils that he would pass off to the inker. Ken Landgraf worked in the studio the same time as Kane. He, with permission, copied off his pages to help improve his drawing skills. Mr. Landgraf often shares these in a comic history Facebook group I belong to. Here is a sample of how a page started with Kane and ended up looking like before the colorist did their part.   Here are some random samples. Mr. Landgraf added vanishing points to some of these.     I found these two especially intriguing.   If anyone is interested, Mr. Landgraf sells a pack of copies (like 100 pages, I think) of Gil Kane's pencils on eBay. Edit- I just checked ebay, he is not selling them currently. If anyone is interested in them, he can be contacted through Facebook. Or, let me know and I can find out from him. But if you ever buy a piece from him, you’ll see how they used ziptone for ease of shading. If anyone is interested, I'll post a piece I commissioned him to do and point out the ziptone. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by brysb They had artists straight up draw over his layouts. I think the thinking was they looked “too much like Kirby” and not enough like Marvel. I will post an example.  |
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Quote:Originally Posted by dpiercy This is the image I was looking for yesterday. I think this was an ad for a comic convention. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by GAC Yah, it was a poster. |
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| not cool. | ||
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| Banky edwards was right, it's more than just tracing. | ||
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| Very true and inkers rule! But the Hulk example is completely over the line, Smokey! Is Stan the one doing that crap? Very messed up whomever. Get another artist if you don't like Kirby - that's his mark. He was 'too Kirby' for myself as a kid, but I like these 'stylized' artists more and more - as I age. Another was Gene Colan heavy handed with his look too - now I'm digging it. Like a song you don't get or like on first listen but in time - it's near your favorite. | ||
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