Amazing Spider-Man vs Flash price comparisons14759
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| High valuations of Marvel books have had me looking at D.C. books for potential unrecognized value. I don't think one can equate The Flash with Spider-man, but they both started their Silver Age runs around the same time, both introduced many villains, and both are A-list Super Heroes to this day. Out of curiosity I researched just how extreme the difference is in FMV between the two series. I used GoCollect 6.0 for comparison to make it quick and easy: ASM #1 came out in 1963 and has FMV of $20,000 in 6.0. Silver Age Flash debut was 1959 and started at #105, where the Golden Age comic left off. #105 is also the introduction of Mirror Master and has a 6.0 FMV of $3,400, less than 20% of the ASM #1 value. ASM #2 first appearance of Vulture has FMV $6,600, Flash 106 1st Gorilla Grodd is $1,000 (15% of ASM value). ASM #3 first Doc Ock is $4,400, Flash #107 with no significant 1sts is $450 (10% of ASM value). ASM #4 first Sandman is $3,200 while Flash #108 is 375 with no significant firsts (12% of ASM value). ASM #5 $1,700, Flash #109 is $300 ASM #6 1st Lizard is $1,400, Flash #110 is at $800-$100 (66% of ASM value) with first appearance of Kid Flash and Weather Wizard. I figured this comparison would probably be symbolic of comparing Marvel values to DC values overall. Not trying to prove a point here but if the Flash movie actually makes it to theatres, I would think there's plenty of room for values to at least double given that all of these books are 4 years older than the ASM comparison books. Seeing the huge differences in FMV at least helps me be comfortable that I'm not taking a huge risk with some of these DC books that are potential "Keys". Now if only Disney would buy DC... |
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| I don't think you can really compare Spidey to Flash (Flash is 2nd tier maybe even 3rd tier when it was Wally) vs Spidey A list. Over the decades how many Spidey films, tv shows, video games - heck how many different Spidey titles! vs lowly old Flash.....no movies, no stand alone games or cartoons...2? TV Shows Heck...good chance non-comic people know that Spidey is Peter Parker...how many know who Flash's identity is?? Hard to go up against Spidey for most DC....just very few DC characters have made it into the main stream to garner any attention...about the only attention they get is when the movie flops or the TV show gets cancelled!! With the track record at DC for TV and Film it's unlikely that most characters will gain traction DC is Bat, Sup and WW....and they mostly can't do those right, how the heck do Flash, GL, Green Arrow, Martian Manhunter etc. etc. stand a chance Need to compare a lower tier character - Spidey is too well known...maybe Hank Pym, Dr. Strange or Daredevil - but even then they've all had either TV shows or movies - bet first 5 or 6 appearances of Hank or Strange fall off pretty quick! Luke Cage or Iron Fist, Silver Surfer, Captain Marvel (Danvers) even Falcon are all still more in the publics id than Flash - but would likely have values more comparable or again values that plummet after the 1st appearance |
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| Oooo Batman vs Submariner - Bat would win yes? So hard....Marvel has almost no characters relatively speaking from the 40's/50's still with us..they relaunched in the 60's with a bang!!! DC however still has many of their 40's/50's characters around...they may have updated them like Stripesy and Star Spangled Kid (41 both) but the name and many of the characteristics are the same/similar DC keys will be relatively cheaper until they have a DCU with decent TV and Movies - not going to happen, and by the time it does the audience might be burnt out on 'super hero' shows. Too bad as I have 1st Teen Titan, Red Tornado, Hawk and Dove, Creeper, Wonder Girl, Animal Man (in costume) etc. etc.....I think these and more could be done...just not by who ever is running DC |
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Quote:Originally Posted by KatKomics @KatKomics I definitely agree that you can't equate the two, but I think there's value in comparing them to see just how much value difference there is. The only thing the comparison tells me is that early Flash comics are probably closer to their potential low than their potential high, whatever that may be. I also agree that Wonder Woman is currently #3 to Superman and Batman at D.C., but I think historically Green Lantern and Flash have both been in competition for that #3 spot. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by KatKomics When potential value is exponentially higher than current value, the market often finds a way to figure it out. I would not be surprised at all if Disney bought D.C. characters for pennies on the potential dollar. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by EbayMafia I'm not so sure on that one...WW is solid 3rd.....Lynda Carter and her live action show and now Gal Gadot have locked her in as #3. GL has never had anything really other than a forgetful movie (which I actually thought was a decent attempt at origin story and had legs...I was wrong) and Flash with a super forgetful live action show followed up by a CW show which was ok for a while but..meh... 100% though...DC if not at a low they are certainly no where near potential highs...but all that potential relies on TV or Movie exposure - live action vs animated (animated is something that most non comic people have never watched, hell...I've never watched a DC animated movie and I have 9k comics heavy on DC!) Currently DC can't make decent TV or Movies to save their lives - they have no direction or vision on what they want to be or the stories they want to tell and I fear by the time they figure it out the public will have soured on 'comic' movies..at least for a decade or two. |
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| I think DC make great tv shows. Their movies on the other hand besides wonder woman movie fall short. Shh about cheap DCs I think they are fab. Don't matter about movies for the spec market. When collectors look at stuff like flash 105 prices, they look like bargains and that's when those books take off. Takes time for that to happen. This is my Flash collection. The 105 is a poor restored but only cost me $50 So all up I'm at $350 If I spent that on early spidies I'd be lucky to have one book. So Shhhh....  |
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@southerncross I agree, lets keep the whole DC market on the DL...I still have many keys I am chasing at the moment  |
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| And for the spec market! Laughed my ass off while I was drek diving in boxes for a half hour at my lcs last Thursday. Two people walked into the store, saw the x-men on the wall and asked the owner "Do you have a x-men 129?" He didn't. Though he did sell one of them a 139 when kitty joins the X-men. Anything Hot or on spec I stay away unless it's priced at half price. That's the bargain collector in me. Why I go for low grades generally. Very cheap wading in the shallow pool. Unfortunately my lcs prices Flash a little too high. Non keys priced a little too high for me. Did buy this beater from a collection that came thru the door. A dog's breakfast for $10 Thought why not, place keeper till I find a vg.  |
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| Most people I know who love the Marvel Movies never pick up a comic book...EVER! I don't think it is the popularity of the Marvel Movies that drives up the prices of all these key issues based on the Movie goers wanting to suddenly buy the comics, it is the current collector's/dealers that speculate and inflate prices to ungodly amounts!! | ||
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| I fully agree with the OP... there are so many deals to be found in DC books. And while the movies haven't quite taken off, pop culture-wise, I would say that most non-comic people know who the Flash is. Don't take that for granted. What that means is that the DC intellectual property is still incredibly valuable, and whoever is at the helm of that franchise will keep trying until they make it work, maybe not in the next year or two but eventually, yes. The fact that early silver age DC books are infinitely more scarce that most silver age Marvel keys says a lot as well. Flash #105 has 598 unrestored copies on the CGC census. ASM #1 has 2,878. I know it's popular to shrug off DC at the moment, and I understand why without the tremendous hype of the MCU, but if you really think about it, how many Marvel characters have been brought into the mainstream via popular films? That's really all it takes for these "B-list" characters to manifest more profoundly in the media, and when DC inevitably takes off, these scarce keys will look like bargains. Also, Flash has the 3rd best rogues gallery in comics behind Spidey and Batman, so don't sleep on those villain keys  |
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Quote:Originally Posted by southerncross @southerncross That's pretty much how I think, I'm not really looking to maximize return, I'm looking to minimize risk. Being half collector and half investor, if I make a really dumb move I want it to be selling too early...not buying too late. |
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| Yeah, Flash is weiner. Though, he does whine as much or more than Spiderman. They at least have that in common. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by obrie2tm DC Keys in CBCS slabs are kind of triggers for me. If there's an auction for an affordable DC Key and a CBCS slab might make it slightly more affordable...there's a real good chance that book is going to end up at my house. I feel like in both cases I'm buying under-recognized value that will be revealed in the future. |
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| @EbayMafia - Amazingly enough I feel the same way. We’ll have to be on the same page so we don’t cost each other $$$ | ||
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| Don't get me wrong..I much prefer DC and love me some DC keys...as either investor or collector Flash and other DC are a good bet I mean Flash 105 in 2005 at 6.0 was $1,269 so that's 269% growth to today - still a good investment ASM 1 in 2005 was 2,625 so that's 760% Just saying Flash vs Spidey is unfair....Flash is unlikely to ever have the same mass market recognition or success that Spidey has had This is supposedly on it's way home in a new CBCS slab....stuck in ShipToCanada for 9 weeks now?? no idea if I got a grade bump after press..hopefully not a drop!!  some other DC also on their way home in new CBCS shoes - hope all get bumps from the press!!   |
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Quote:Originally Posted by KatKomics can't tell me the disparity in current prices isn't due to the success of Spidey/Marvel films and games while Flash has basically had nothing....CW..... hasn't even maintained the % gap they had in 2005 |
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| @KatKomics If I wanted to use Spider-man as the benchmark of a best-case for potential, is there another DC character that would be more equal the ASM for comparison purposes? The problem with Batman and Superman is that they didn't disappear and then reappear in the Silver Age...their titles were continuous. That probably only leaves Wonder Woman, Green Lantern and Flash as far as I can think of. | ||
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Daredevil, the poor man's spiderman  Compare that to the Flash |
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